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To refuse the vaccine for this reason

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SEmyarse · 18/05/2021 19:09

Goodness know why I'm doing this since I'm most averse to being flamed and I'm going to get grilled alive.

My reason being that I don't think that it will work. I don't mean the vaccine itself, I have no specialist knowledge. I mean the whole strategy of vaccinating everyone.

So we're told that the vaccine is good for personal protection. Got it - no-one wants to die of this nasty disease.
And then we're told that its good to protect those around us. Absolutely got it - even if there's a possibility of nasty side effects, I'm not important in the grand scheme, it's a risk assessment for everyone's benefit.

So of course I'd get the vaccine if those were the only considerations.
But surely that only works if we're isolated from the rest of the world. I know there's been lots of talk of helping poorer countries with their vaccine programmes, but really? We're expecting countries who struggle with persistent poverty, illness, war to prioritise this? It's just not going to happen is it? I just can't see it. And it really feels like we're just doing it to stop them giving it back to us.

And even within our own country, and even with our apparently very successful roll-out, I can't see this being sustainable. We already know that it's going to have to be repeated very frequently. Volunteers won't do it forever, halls etc can't be commandeered forever can they? The numbers are way bigger than the flu scheme.

So then we're back to risk assessment. I'm still not massively bothered by the possibility of side effects, but it does seem unwise to take it if I genuinely don't believe it will work or make things better.

In fact I'd go so far as to say that I'm concerned it's going to make things worse. If there was any way of having the young catch it in fairly quick succession, so from a super spreader, surely that would be safer. It would be transmitted in a smaller number of moves, thus less likely to mutate. As it is though we are forcing it though narrower channels of transmission (by social distancing etc), from person, to person, to person etc, giving it much more chance to change. Of course there is no way of doing this safely though. And then we have absolutely no influence when it lands abroad in much larger populations who often have no choice but to carry on, and there we are with another variant, with quite a possibility it will change enough to be a problem.

I honestly believe that the only sensible use of vaccines is for the most vulnerable, to do our best in an out of control situation.

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moita · 18/05/2021 19:23

eh? what scientists are saying people shouldn't be vaccinated? I mean other than internet cranks

TheHateIsNotGood · 18/05/2021 19:23

If it stops me from passing it along to someone who might get Covid real bad then that's a good enough reason for me to get vaxxed.

mainsfed · 18/05/2021 19:24

In fact I'd go so far as to say that I'm concerned it's going to make things worse. If there was any way of having the young catch it in fairly quick succession, so from a super spreader, surely that would be safer. It would be transmitted in a smaller number of moves, thus less likely to mutate. As it is though we are forcing it though narrower channels of transmission (by social distancing etc), from person, to person, to person etc, giving it much more chance to change. Of course there is no way of doing this safely though. And then we have absolutely no influence when it lands abroad in much larger populations who often have no choice but to carry on, and there we are with another variant, with quite a possibility it will change enough to be a problem.

So you're not going to have the vaccine in case the government decides to let super spreaders go around infecting kids?

It doesn't compute.

Sadsiblingatsea · 18/05/2021 19:24

YANBU but you won’t get any support here from the vax fanatics.
Personally, I’m freaked out by all the side effects.
Live and let live.

SEmyarse · 18/05/2021 19:24

Flus do mutate, and I'm aware there's a vaccination program but I've never been offered the jab so I assume it's just the vulnerable.

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JesusIsAnyNameFree · 18/05/2021 19:24

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thecatsabsentcojones · 18/05/2021 19:24

My intensive care consultant husband would roll his eyes at this one.

He’s had people in their thirties and forties in his unit with no underlying conditions, why would you take the chance tangling with an illness that could send you there if you can just get vaccinated instead? I don’t get it. It’s a gift and I burst into tears when I got my appointment, it gave me a huge sense of relief and also reassured my husband that he wouldn’t be intubating me one day.

Just go and get it done!

Chanjer · 18/05/2021 19:24

Yeah OP that's a shit reason

AllThatFancyPaintsAsFair · 18/05/2021 19:26

@SEmyarse

Yes, ICU is grim, I'm terrified of the place. I'm actually really scared of this virus. But it feels like totally the wrong thing to get the vaccine if I feel it's just for personal protection.
That's got to be in their for ridiculous post of the day

You don't want to be I'll but don't want to do what you can to try and prevent yourself from being I'll because not everyone in the world can have the jab?

SMH

SEmyarse · 18/05/2021 19:26

Why are you all so convinced that this will work in the longterm?

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Topseyt · 18/05/2021 19:27

What a load of utter bollocks.

Vaccines do help reduce the spread.

Beseigedbykillersquirrels · 18/05/2021 19:27

@SEmyarse

Yes, ICU is grim, I'm terrified of the place. I'm actually really scared of this virus. But it feels like totally the wrong thing to get the vaccine if I feel it's just for personal protection.
I believe one of the most widely-experienced side effects of the jab is that it offers the jabee some personal protection. Doesn't sound like you've done much research into how vaccinations work in general.
turnthebiglightoff · 18/05/2021 19:27

And once we've vaccinated the general population the vulnerable will most likely have booster jabs for Covid, just like the flu. Vaccinations will stop millions more people dying. The flu killed millions in one go in 1918, Covid could do the same if we lose restrictions, hence we vaccinate.

What is so hard to understand?

Tal45 · 18/05/2021 19:28

Yeah you're probably right no point to vaccination, just think of small pox or polio or measles or tetnus - totally pointless. Oh no maybe not.
Perhaps you didn't hear about tweaking vaccines for variants?

Hankunamatata · 18/05/2021 19:28

Its not just about personal protection. I believe your viral load (bit virus particles in your body) are much less, making you less likely to spread the virus around if you are infected.

Hankunamatata · 18/05/2021 19:28

Because we have to start somewhere.

SEmyarse · 18/05/2021 19:29

If we are only going to be giving boosters to the vulnerable long term, then what is the point in vaccinating everyone now?

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ThinWomansBrain · 18/05/2021 19:29

maybe just sticking your head in the sand and getting covid is the best option all round?

HercwasanEnemyofEducation · 18/05/2021 19:29

Why are you all so convinced that this will work in the longterm?

See flu vaccine.

Dailywalk · 18/05/2021 19:29

I don’t understand your argument that there’s more chances for mutation of the virus with social distancing?
There’s a potential for the virus to mutate every time it enters a new host. So whether 100 people catch it gradually over the course of a month or in one big mass event one evening that’s still 100 chances for the virus to mutate isn’t it? Happy to be corrected if I’m wrong.

Chanjer · 18/05/2021 19:29

Why are you all so convinced that this will work in the longterm?

Define "work"

Whitchurch · 18/05/2021 19:30

It's not even worth arguing against this. You just crack on Op, but please don't start spreading your theories around social media and risk people believing your fantasy and deciding no need for them to be vaccinated either.

cakebythepound1234 · 18/05/2021 19:31

Also, the suggestion of just letting young people catch it and super spread it around - like this pandemic hasn't fucked over the younger generations enough already? All because you aren't all that sure if the vaccination program will work from your pandemic and pandemic 'expertise'.

anon5678 · 18/05/2021 19:31

Is your point that there's no point getting the vaccine because some countries have wars?

If the scientists say the vaccine is effective and you have no issues with vaccines, are happy to protect yourself and others and aren't worried about side effects I don't understand the issue?

ThursdayWeld · 18/05/2021 19:32

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