So angry at the Government this evening

[Moonme]

I’m SO mad. I haven’t been on this board for months and I was feeling really optimistic about life feeling like it was returning to normal.
It is criminal that they have let this variant in. It’s literally ground hog day. Playing politics with public health to do trade deals (because of bloody Brexit) with India.
I know there is hope that the vaccines will do there jobs but we shouldn’t be in this position. This wasn’t inevitable. Arggh so cross

[sadperson16]

How can you not quarantine?,Aren't there checks in place?

[DinosaurDiana]

I just don’t believe that cases are as low as they are saying. A whole college in my county was shut this week due to many cases. A whole college - yet you can hug your granny and go on holiday !!!

[MontysRoseGarden]

Member of my team is supposed to be going to lanzorote in June

If that happens remains to be seen, however rest of team are saying they don’t want to work with her upon her return . There’s worries about who they have mixed with and if they are coming back contagious with no isolation

[MontysRoseGarden]

Colleague won’t test or bother with precautions at the best of times

It’s exhausting being covid police for our company

[Standrewsschool]

Out of curiosity, why is the Kent version called Kent, and not British variant?

[RuleWithAWoodenFoot]

How many days does India travel have quarantine.

14. Tests on various days throughout.

Children at my school have been returning from India relatively recently (since schools went back on 8th March) - they've all done either self imposed quarantine, or since India was red-listed, proper hotel quarantine.

[CaptainNelson]

@Standrewsschool

Out of curiosity, why is the Kent version called Kent, and not British variant?

It's called the british variant everywhere except in the UK

[VaccineSticker]

@bluetongue isolating from the world at the moment until the world catches up on vaccinating will make all the difference. I would rather have harder borders, more liberties in my country whilst being safe than being able travel abroad.
Freedom of travel abroad doesn’t affect anyone’s life from day to day, but letting the virus run free causing covid spreading affects every aspect of everyone’s life, from school closures, home schooling and being unable to see your own doctor face to face, massive hospital waiting list, risk of long covid, not being able to take the kids to play centres or let them enjoy extra curricular activities, takes it to a whole different level and affects every minute of your life.
You might be unhappy and you miss international travel, but coming from someone who has been in hardlock down, I have very little sympathy for anyone who misses non essential life luxuries like international travel.
I don’t mean in a nasty way, I’m just frustrated from one lock down to another, because of the utter incompetence of the gov when all this could have been avoided as we are an island.

[oneglassandpuzzled]

@Puttingouthefirewithgasoline

Boris speech asking us to be sensible reminds me of the teachers who moan about the kids who are late back to class, to one's, already THERE!!

If we are interested enough in the press conference its highly likely we are also invested enough to follow the rules!!

That’s how I felt about Clive Milnie’s bbc news reports going into morgues etc at the height of the winter wave. The people watching the bbc tv news were probably not the ones breaking lockdown and behaving recklessly.

[MarshaBradyo]

[quote VaccineSticker]@bluetongue isolating from the world at the moment until the world catches up on vaccinating will make all the difference. I would rather have harder borders, more liberties in my country whilst being safe than being able travel abroad.
Freedom of travel abroad doesn’t affect anyone’s life from day to day, but letting the virus run free causing covid spreading affects every aspect of everyone’s life, from school closures, home schooling and being unable to see your own doctor face to face, massive hospital waiting list, risk of long covid, not being able to take the kids to play centres or let them enjoy extra curricular activities, takes it to a whole different level and affects every minute of your life.
You might be unhappy and you miss international travel, but coming from someone who has been in hardlock down, I have very little sympathy for anyone who misses non essential life luxuries like international travel.
I don’t mean in a nasty way, I’m just frustrated from one lock down to another, because of the utter incompetence of the gov when all this could have been avoided as we are an island.[/quote]
An island with road freight so it would get in

[Changemusthappen]

I don't believe anyone should be forced to take the vaccine, however if you decide not to then you accept the concequences.

My point is that if you are part of a community that is affected more by a disease surely you would do more to protect yourselves and your community. The facts about how contagious this is has been widely reported ever since the outbreak started.

Personally I have never agreed with the flaky rules around travel.. Unfortunately there are consequences for choosing to live in a different country to your family, I know this having lived overseas.

If you still travelled knowing how bad it is in the country you are going to, how your fellow citizens are adversely affected, knowing you won't isolate properly, then yes I do blame you for doing so.

[me4real]

I think it's leftie naffness to try and blame Brexit.

[Oblomov21]

We all need to calm down. This is very minor.

[MercyBooth]

The racism on this board is fucking disgusting. Was going on last night as well when someone said the reason communities were vaccine hesitant is because they believe conspiracy theories. Intimating that its because they are thick. THEN i saw someone who claims to care about stuff like this completely ignore it and say the bigotry is towards Londoners.

[User135644]

@kingat

I am more angry at the people who arrived from India and didnt quarantine.

You can't just rely on the public to do the right thing, unfortunately. The world doesn't work like that. There will always be selfish people who think it doesn't apply to them, or they're too much of an imposition. There's a big difference between 'guidance' and enforced rules.

Same with the Bolton pub goer last year who had a pub crawl after returning from Spain with symptoms of Covid and became a superspreader. He certainly wasn't quarantining and neither do most if it's not enforced.

The government have messed up. Again.

[MercyBooth]

@Changemusthappen I havent been abroad since 1986. Hasnt stopped blame being thrown my way though. Overweight people have been scapegoated as well and blamed for there being a high death toll

Blame worked sooooooooooooooo well during the HIV epidemic right????!!!! Its a well known tactic for getting ppl to engage.

So will obvs work well in encouraging ppl to take the vaccine natch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[VaccineSticker]

@MarshaBradyo we won the world war yet we can’t sort out some logistics with some freight. 🤣
What a defeatist attitude.

If we had this attitude, nothing would have been invented or had any problems fixed, never mind landing a rover on Mars.
Let’s just accept the way things are and just accept things will be rubbish.

Goodness gracious....

[MarshaBradyo]

[quote VaccineSticker]@MarshaBradyo we won the world war yet we can’t sort out some logistics with some freight. 🤣
What a defeatist attitude.

If we had this attitude, nothing would have been invented or had any problems fixed, never mind landing a rover on Mars.
Let’s just accept the way things are and just accept things will be rubbish.

Goodness gracious....[/quote]
Haha wonders if this is a name change

Another poster bangs on about defeatist attitude

Yet never gives a solution just a load of bollocks

[lljkk]

There are 100s of variants, most of them not of concern.
There will be 100s of new variants in future.
Do people want to "shut the borders" - forever?

[MercyBooth]

The Government should not assume everyone is online and can therefore book a vaccine online.


There are ppl out there who dont have smartphones because they cant afford them and THIS VERY GOVERNMENT told them not to prioritise them over food //www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-esther-mcvey-suggests-poor-14210844

Tory Esther McVey says poor families 'prioritise new phones over food'
The former Work and Pensions Secretary Esther McVey, who was the face of Universal Credit, appeared to blame low-income families' wanting 'new phones' for poverty
There will also be many who cant afford home internet either. The "just book online" attitudes for the under 50s will not work in poorer communities. Oh just do it online is not the answer to everything despite many on here and in RL thinking it is. Its a lazy default setting.

[ilovesooty]

@MontysRoseGarden

Member of my team is supposed to be going to lanzorote in June

If that happens remains to be seen, however rest of team are saying they don’t want to work with her upon her return . There’s worries about who they have mixed with and if they are coming back contagious with no isolation

If it's still amber she'll have to quarantine on return, surely?

[DenisetheMenace]

bookworm1632

Agreed - the government once again lost the plot, insisting on PROOF of a risk from the variant, before taking measures to prevent it - of course by the time such proof arrived, it was too late to do anything about it.“

We don’t have proof though? Just this morning on Today, epidemiologist was saying it isn’t know if the Indian variant is more transmissible or, more importantly, able to evade the vaccine. If it turns out that it isn’t, infection numbers are pretty irrelevant really (as long as the programme steps up to vaccinate younger people more quickly, as I gather is being discussed, particularly in relation to areas with high cases of this strain).

[whenwillthemadnessend]

Adding countries to a list is pointless. The variant can get in through freight or business travel even if tourism is shut to most.

Our borders are either open or there not Half way house is pointless shutting doors when horse is already shagging the mare in the next field - let alone bolted and will never keep a virus out.

[Sunnyfreezesushi]

We need to look seriously at our quarantine rules. 1) red list countries need to be segregated at all airports/ports etc 2) no public transport back home allowed - sorry, get a taxi or rent a car etc, pay to park at the airport 3) rest of household needs to self isolate too. 4) every case needs to be called/tracked/checked up on - government are not checking. 5) postal private companies raking in on tests for amber countries aka people not swabbing correctly, not convinced either.

People were travelling to India, mixing in airport, mixing on public transport AND and here is the biggest risk, mixing in households (household member do not need to self isolate). You just need a couple of positives on the airplane and boom - up to 14 days later another passenger transmits to the household they are staying with etc. Scientists always told us until the whole world is vaccinated the virus will keep spreading.

If our vaccines work for most variants though and we have enough vaccine uptake we might be ok after all.
Coupled with all of this I also think the virus has a 6 months cycle. Expect lots of spread amongst unvaccinated by July latest

[Dingleydel]

I agree. It feels like freedom is so close. I’ve no doubt that this new variant will be the cause of a third wave by the autumn. Close the f*ing borders properly!