Independent SAGE: Lockdown easing must be delayed

[FriedHam]

I see Independent sage have said that the lockdown easing planned for Monday must be cancelled. This would mean that pubs and restaurants would remain closed indoors and home visiting would not be permitted.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/12/indian-covid-variant-calls-in-question-17-may-reopening-in-uk-say-experts

Christina Pagel of independent sage has said this is necessary because of the Indian variant spreading across the country. However, there is no evidence that the vaccines are any less effective against the Indian variant.

Personally I'm just not sure that we can justify keeping businesses closed for longer and the inevitable job losses that will follow on the off chance that a particular variant may cause problems for the vaccine.

So is this a real danger that necessitates cancelling the easing or a desperate attempt by independent sage to remain relevant?

Me too ;

@MarshaBradyo

Yep

I think some posters won’t go out to eat, holiday, theatre, meet people inside for years, it’s up to them though.

Personal choice is not going to happen. Complete nonsense. How do you envisage that working in reality? Delusional.

It’s not actually Sonnet I’m not making it up MH own words - it is what we are working towards next.

You may recoil in horror as you seem to be, and emote, and admittedly like anything it is data dependent, but it’s not posted out of thin air.

Personal choice is not going to happen

It already is.

Plenty of people never kept to restrictions or started to break them.

Equally there are people who barely left their house prior to the pandemic.

Ok well, good luck with that! Its simply an illusion to keep people engaged and hopeful.

MH, the same day who is making a mint out of the pandemic while crying on tv about the joy of vaccines. Hilarious

Here you go

“What we want to do is get rid of the social distancing-type laws that get in the way of normal life and move to personal responsibility, rather than laws dictating how all of us live our daily lives.”

I get you will be inside Sonnet saying good luck to everyone as you are.

The rest of us will do stuff.

*guy not day

good luck with that!

Good luck with what? Compliance is not a given.

@SonnetForSpring

MH, the same day who is making a mint out of the pandemic while crying on tv about the joy of vaccines. Hilarious

Ridiculous.

Try not to be sore about personal responsibility and getting back to normal. There’s no need.

No, I'm not inside as you put it. I continue my life within the guidelines. I work, volunteer, socialise, take the kids places, they go to school. But I do get tested twice a week. I wear a mask, wash hands, I ensure anywhere I go has adequate ventilation etc etc. This is not a binary argument. Personal choice does not come into it at all. It is about collect discipline.
The government know this. You are being completely naive and extremely presumptuous.

It is about collect discipline.

Which is dissipating every single day,

It's not me who is going to get a shock.. I have adapted and I'm at peace with the fact we are living with covid. Have you actually tried to sit down and apply any logic to your arguments.

@SonnetForSpring

No, I'm not inside as you put it. I continue my life within the guidelines. I work, volunteer, socialise, take the kids places, they go to school. But I do get tested twice a week. I wear a mask, wash hands, I ensure anywhere I go has adequate ventilation etc etc. This is not a binary argument. Personal choice does not come into it at all. It is about collect discipline. The government know this. You are being completely naive and extremely presumptuous.

Why?

I didn’t say it MH did take it up with him if you have a such a strong reaction to the words

@TheKeatingFive

It is about collect discipline.

Which is dissipating every single day,

Sorry I meant collective discipline. Yes, it is dissipating, hence why there will be another wave. It's not rocket science. Come on.

It’s the stated aim Sonnet I don’t have to argue for or against it for it to happen.

It will if data permits

I couldn't give two hoots about Matt Hancock. God help people who are actually looking to him for inspiration.

It’s not now but the aim

Things will change

If data permits. I'm telling you data will not permit. You're trying to square a circle.

Personal choice does not come into it

I’m not sure how you arrive at this. Of course it does.

I’m in ROI, not UK, but I have neighbours who have been in and out of relatives/friends houses, have had parties, play dates, sleep overs, been to the hairdresser and got nails done, drunk in the unlicensed bar, been to Tenerife - all of this between Jan and March of this year, when we were under strict lockdown.

They found a way.

It's a manipulation technique. They know people want personal choice. So hey ho, let's dangle it in front of them like a carrot to keep them plodding on.

The government and media need to stop manipulating and start educating. Unfortunately, people don't like the facts and don't want to learn so that's a slight obstacle.

@SonnetForSpring

If data permits. I'm telling you data will not permit. You're trying to square a circle.

Ha at this

You should write to Chris Whitty with that level of certainty he could use your insight I’m sure

@TheKeatingFive

Personal choice does not come into it

I’m not sure how you arrive at this. Of course it does.

I’m in ROI, not UK, but I have neighbours who have been in and out of relatives/friends houses, have had parties, play dates, sleep overs, been to the hairdresser and got nails done, drunk in the unlicensed bar, been to Tenerife - all of this between Jan and March of this year, when we were under strict lockdown.

They found a way.

You are actually proud of that aren't you. Did you know humans are social animals because or keeps us safe. We actually have to work as a group in the face of serious threats, that means globally.... where does personal choice come into it?

You're wasting your energy Marsha. It won't change things.