Page 19 | Are you still sticking to ALL of the rules?

CallTheSheriff · 2021-05-03T20:33:34+00:00

Our family has followed all rules to date but with two weeks left until social contact restrictions are lifted I see more and more people using a ‘common sense’ approach for their own risk. My DC go to school (primary), attend swimming lessons, attend dance classes and indoor football classes but we decline the offer of play dates with other DC in their class. DH and I have not mixed indoors with any other adult since last March. We both WFH and are both partially vaccinated. We do not attend gyms etc as we didn’t pre covid anyway. Our friends and family think we are being OTT, especially in not allowing DC to visit others after school but allowing them to attend classes. It made me wonder how others are doing it?

HIVpos · 06/05/2021 16:23

@JeanClaudeVanDammit

Wouldn’t these comparisons to passing on HIV only be valid if we’re talking about someone who knowingly has covid? I don’t know many people who, if they know they have Covid, would go on to e.g. have an illegal haircut. If they don’t believe they have covid then surely it’s a different thing entirely?

Exactly - thank you, plus there's other things to consider if a comparison is really being made as @Mumbot345635 is inferring.

If we're talking about someone who knowingly has coronavirus vs someone who knowingly has HIV it's important to give context. In the case of HIV over 95% of those on ART in the UK have an undetectable viral load and are therefore unable to pass it on to anyone else, even (to be blunt) having back to back sex with multiple partners, without protection and without telling them - with or without a mask!!
(disclaimer - other STIs exist )

People living with HIV can get stigmatised enough as it is. We see some people trying to do the same with coronavirus.

Do leave it out Mumbot please! Whether you're a lawyer or not, if you want to know more, here you go:
www.tht.org.uk/hiv-and-sexual-health/living-well-hiv/legal-issues/how-law-works
www.better2know.co.uk/blog/hiv-diagnoses-fall-as-uk-surpasses-90-90-90-target/ (there's a government link in this one!)

GlassBoxSpectacular · 07/05/2021 06:41

@Mumbot345635

I understand it perfectly middle!! I’m a government lawyer which is why I kind of feel I know what I’m talking about (will need to name change now)!

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On the very, very, very minimal chance that this is true, then no wonder we’re in the mess we’re in!

Egghead81 · 07/05/2021 07:36

* government lawyer*
Love it!

Lillyrosegrace778 · 07/05/2021 07:47

Constructive manslaughter is where you commit a crime and death results as a consequence. I guess there is a chance a breach of covid laws that resulted in a death could be prosecuted as constitutive manslaughter. The challenge would be proving that covid was caught from that breach of covid rules.

HIV transmission not the same as having sex is not illegal. You would need to know you had the virus and you were deliberately infecting someone in that instance.

Marcydarcy7867 · 07/05/2021 08:06

I am and everyone I know mostly doing so too (only minor breaches). I believe we all have to do our bit.

trappedsincesundaymorn · 07/05/2021 08:53

@Mumbot345635

I understand it perfectly middle!! I’m a government lawyer which is why I kind of feel I know what I’m talking about (will need to name change now)!

Of course you are and I'm your manager.

ARoseByAnyOtherNameIsStillAs · 10/05/2021 18:02

I followed all the rules for the first lock down, obsessively so.

Second, followed some and third lock down very few due to barely any cases in this area and more knowledge about actual risk etc.

I have visited my parents home weekly and hug them, sod off anyone that judges that I don't care. I have had several people to my home due to work as well.

yomommasmomma · 10/05/2021 20:24

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Racoonworld · 10/05/2021 20:27

Well I wasn’t before but will be now, everything I want to do will be allowed from 17th May, including not needing to distance from friends and family . Bye bye 2m, hello lots of hugs.

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CallTheSheriff · 10/05/2021 20:27

I’ve now allowed my DC to play in a friend’s house . They are in the same class at school.

They were playing in the garden and it started raining heavily. It was going to take me fifteen minutes to get to friends house to collect my DC, so the parent took them inside and made dinner , then they played for a while before I collected my DC .

I now can’t shake the ‘guilt’ that I’ve broken a rule . How will I explain it to DC when they ask if they’ve broken a rule?

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Racoonworld · 10/05/2021 20:29

@CallTheSheriff don’t worry about it, It’ll be legal in a week anyway.

TheKeatingFive · 10/05/2021 21:43

At least you are "owning" being a selfish, Ignorant idiot!

Can we all reflect on the fact that this is a response to a person hugging their parents

Wtf has this done to people?

ARoseByAnyOtherNameIsStillAs · 10/05/2021 21:50

@TheKeatingFive

At least you are "owning" being a selfish, Ignorant idiot!

Can we all reflect on the fact that this is a response to a person hugging their parents

Wtf has this done to people?

Indeed.

@yomommasmomma has lost the plot. If being selfish is hugging my parents then I will hug away.

You sound more ignorant in your response to my saying I hug my parents than I would ever be. Judgmental people like you are what is wrong. Go sit in a dark room calm down and actually think about what made you think hugging parents is wrong

yomommasmomma · 10/05/2021 22:02

@TheKeatingFive

At least you are "owning" being a selfish, Ignorant idiot!

Can we all reflect on the fact that this is a response to a person hugging their parents

Wtf has this done to people?

Nothing to do with hugging parents, all to do with ignoring all rules during the third lockdown!

yomommasmomma · 10/05/2021 22:03

@TheKeatingFive

At least you are "owning" being a selfish, Ignorant idiot!

Can we all reflect on the fact that this is a response to a person hugging their parents

Wtf has this done to people?

As an aside, I love your user name! I just discovered that show and I am obsessed!!

TheKeatingFive · 10/05/2021 22:13

Nothing to do with hugging parents

That is specifically what she said she was doing.

As an aside, I love your user name! I just discovered that show and I am obsessed

Good to find common ground I guess.

yomommasmomma · 10/05/2021 22:16

@TheKeatingFive

Nothing to do with hugging parents

That is specifically what she said she was doing.

As an aside, I love your user name! I just discovered that show and I am obsessed

Good to find common ground I guess.

She also mentioned informing the majority of lockdown rules third time round, having people in and out of the house etc. It wasn't as simple as " I hugged my parents"

Annalise (love her) would totally ignored lockdown and kill anyone who got on her way, I would be dead!

yomommasmomma · 10/05/2021 22:17

Ignoring not informing

mightbealittlebitmad · 10/05/2021 22:36

I think that may have been aimed at me, can't see, it's been deleted.

The world has gone totally insane. If people want to seal themselves away from their friends and family then they can go right ahead, I refuse. I've had some really tough moments during these lockdowns and having my friends and family around have really helped. If it weren't for them I would be a total wreck by now.

Every day I go to work in a pub I shake my head at what we have been reduced to. Sitting outside in the pouring rain just to get some human contact with people outside of our households. People sitting with blankets and hot water bottles under heaters trying to keep warm. Thank god for furlough, the amount of early finishes or cancelled shifts I've had because a lot of people don't want to come out. Thankfully even on furlough I'm fine for money but some aren't so lucky. Spare a thought for those who are struggling to pay their bills because their household income has been reduced by 20/40% if it's a one or two furloughed household. It's not a bundle of laughs that's for sure.

It would be so easy for me to sit there and scorn others for being desperate to get back to work to pay the bills whilst I'm sat pretty or as a non hugger looking down on people who are craving human contact whilst I'm in a household with a husband and 2 kids but I don't. I understand that what I might find easy other people might find hard so I try and have some empathy.

I'm a very self centered selfish person so if I can have empathy with others others can too. It's not always black and white.

TheKeatingFive · 10/05/2021 22:37

You’re batshit.

But good point. Would Annalise hug her mother? Hell yes she would. Would there be a peep out of you? Fuck no. You know you’d live to regret it.

TheKeatingFive · 10/05/2021 22:38

That was directed at yomommasmomma

yomommasmomma · 11/05/2021 13:58

@mightbealittlebitmad

I think that may have been aimed at me, can't see, it's been deleted.

The world has gone totally insane. If people want to seal themselves away from their friends and family then they can go right ahead, I refuse. I've had some really tough moments during these lockdowns and having my friends and family around have really helped. If it weren't for them I would be a total wreck by now.

Every day I go to work in a pub I shake my head at what we have been reduced to. Sitting outside in the pouring rain just to get some human contact with people outside of our households. People sitting with blankets and hot water bottles under heaters trying to keep warm. Thank god for furlough, the amount of early finishes or cancelled shifts I've had because a lot of people don't want to come out. Thankfully even on furlough I'm fine for money but some aren't so lucky. Spare a thought for those who are struggling to pay their bills because their household income has been reduced by 20/40% if it's a one or two furloughed household. It's not a bundle of laughs that's for sure.

It would be so easy for me to sit there and scorn others for being desperate to get back to work to pay the bills whilst I'm sat pretty or as a non hugger looking down on people who are craving human contact whilst I'm in a household with a husband and 2 kids but I don't. I understand that what I might find easy other people might find hard so I try and have some empathy.

I'm a very self centered selfish person so if I can have empathy with others others can too. It's not always black and white.

How do you think people have managed all the difficult moments who have stuck to the rules? Are they stronger than you or just less selfish!?

yomommasmomma · 11/05/2021 13:59

@TheKeatingFive

You’re batshit.

But good point. Would Annalise hug her mother? Hell yes she would. Would there be a peep out of you? Fuck no. You know you’d live to regret it.

Not sure she is the role model you want!!!

mightbealittlebitmad · 11/05/2021 14:14

Both! I'm not the kind of person that will make myself depressed in order to be perceived as selfless. I don't have anything to prove, no people to berate for being selfish whilst I'm just so perfect doing everything I'm told.

I'm human, I'm not perfect. I sometimes break rules, I drank underage, I do 80 on the motorway me.

Like I said if others can isolate themselves without sacrificing their mental health then that's great. I'm just not that person, I'm a person who needs people and I'm not going to apologise for that.

You're perfect, congratulations. Have a medal and a halo.

tedsletterofthelaw · 11/05/2021 14:17

Other than on MN, I don't know a single person who has stuck to every single rule.