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Are you still sticking to ALL of the rules?

543 replies

CallTheSheriff · 03/05/2021 21:33

Our family has followed all rules to date but with two weeks left until social contact restrictions are lifted I see more and more people using a ‘common sense’ approach for their own risk.

My DC go to school (primary), attend swimming lessons, attend dance classes and indoor football classes but we decline the offer of play dates with other DC in their class.

DH and I have not mixed indoors with any other adult since last March. We both WFH and are both partially vaccinated. We do not attend gyms etc as we didn’t pre covid anyway.

Our friends and family think we are being OTT, especially in not allowing DC to visit others after school but allowing them to attend classes.

It made me wonder how others are doing it?

OP posts:
MiddleParking · 06/05/2021 07:59

@Mumbot345635

Middleoarking -yes! Because this is the case!
It really very much isn’t.
Mumbot345635 · 06/05/2021 08:00

www.legalcheek.com/lc-journal-posts/could-covid-19-spit-attacks-amount-to-constructive-manslaughter

It would be very difficult to prove, but yes in essence it’s possible.

MiddleParking · 06/05/2021 08:02

Oh right, what you mean is that this other, literally entirely different thing might theoretically be manslaughter if it could ever be proven, according to an article as opposed to legal precedent?

User6587324 · 06/05/2021 08:05

A spit attack is a direct attack on someone, assault in fact, a haircut isn't so not even similar

Mumbot345635 · 06/05/2021 08:06

No what I’m saying is that no one has been prosecuted yet but there are the elements of the offence is you knowingly broke the law and you were unlucky enough that this passed on covid to someone who died. People have been convicted of passing on HIV for example.
The restrictions were put in place to save lives.

User6587324 · 06/05/2021 08:07

@Mumbot345635

www.legalcheek.com/lc-journal-posts/could-covid-19-spit-attacks-amount-to-constructive-manslaughter

It would be very difficult to prove, but yes in essence it’s possible.

Maybe find something more relevant to link to
RaspberryCoulis · 06/05/2021 08:07

Total attack of the crazies. Manslaughter my arse.

Mumbot345635 · 06/05/2021 08:08

A haircut if illegal at the time is akin to something like driving at 25 in a 20 limit and then accidentally knocking someone over who stepped in the road (not your fault they stepped in road but you were breaking the law so you are liable).

Mumbot345635 · 06/05/2021 08:09

User - I’ve got to go to work! Don’t have time to Google for the best article!

MiddleParking · 06/05/2021 08:12

How can someone so slavishly devoted to the law understand it so little?

savethegrannies · 06/05/2021 08:16

Manslaughter???? My god Confused

Wellbythebloodyhell · 06/05/2021 08:20

Not sure why you are all engaging and getting drawn in by @Mumbot345635 I mean the clue is the name "bot"

Mumbot345635 · 06/05/2021 08:21

I understand it perfectly middle!! I’m a government lawyer which is why I kind of feel I know what I’m talking about (will need to name change now)!

Mumbot345635 · 06/05/2021 08:22

The bot is ironic Wellby...!

MiddleParking · 06/05/2021 08:22

@Mumbot345635

I understand it perfectly middle!! I’m a government lawyer which is why I kind of feel I know what I’m talking about (will need to name change now)!
Lord save us if that’s true.
Mumbot345635 · 06/05/2021 08:24

Go look up manslaughter middle...

TheKeatingFive · 06/05/2021 08:27

Very educated, clever people like sage have fed into the national laws in order to protect the public health.

The point, for me, is all the educated, clever people with specialist knowledge in things like mental health, well being, youth prospects who didnt get to feed in.

PomegranateQueen · 06/05/2021 08:28

I took my DCs to see thier vaccinated grandparents over Easter. Couldn't give a shit if that makes me selfish. My DCs are so isolated compared to children with local grandparents who have childcare bubbles. It did wonders for thier mental health, I don't put strangers before my DCs.

I went to see another vaccinated friend for a cuppa this week, we went inside when it started pouring it down. She has been struggling with PND and her toddler has been going nuts with no groups to do to so again I really don't care if strangers think I am selfish.

Covid is at a record low, the most vulnerable have been vaccinated now, time to move on with our lives.

Theladypatience · 06/05/2021 08:50

Numbers are actually starting to climb again in my area. We’ve gone from being so low we were practically zero to above the national average in the last week :-/

We’ve been sticking to the rules with a few minor rule breakages but it seems most people where I live are ignoring the rules completely now aside from masks

Waxonwaxoff0 · 06/05/2021 08:56

@Theladypatience

Numbers are actually starting to climb again in my area. We’ve gone from being so low we were practically zero to above the national average in the last week :-/

We’ve been sticking to the rules with a few minor rule breakages but it seems most people where I live are ignoring the rules completely now aside from masks

This was expected all along, the government said they were expecting cases to rise as restrictions eased. They will be keeping an eye on hospital numbers now rather than just case numbers.
JeanClaudeVanDammit · 06/05/2021 08:58

We’ve gone from being so low we were practically zero to above the national average in the last week :-/

Now the numbers are low this can happen with quite isolated outbreaks though. Same thing happened here about a month ago when they suddenly shot up. This was because of an outbreak at a hotel being used to accommodate asylum seekers. It was contained and didn’t spread any further. The case numbers we have now are the sort of numbers test, trace & isolate actually has a chance of making a difference to. The numbers before were too high for it to be feasible.

savethegrannies · 06/05/2021 09:03

Case numbers are of little or no relevance now the elderly and vulnerable are vaccinated as hospitalisations and deaths will remain low (assuming the vaccines work). I see quite a few elderly going out their business as normal now and rightly so. Surely that's what the vaccines were for.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 06/05/2021 09:05

@JeanClaudeVanDammit

We’ve gone from being so low we were practically zero to above the national average in the last week :-/

Now the numbers are low this can happen with quite isolated outbreaks though. Same thing happened here about a month ago when they suddenly shot up. This was because of an outbreak at a hotel being used to accommodate asylum seekers. It was contained and didn’t spread any further. The case numbers we have now are the sort of numbers test, trace & isolate actually has a chance of making a difference to. The numbers before were too high for it to be feasible.

Yes, currently happening here with an outbreak at the local secondary school.
Egghead81 · 06/05/2021 09:10

What does an “outbreak” look like these days when numbers are so very low
Was the school closed?

tigger1001 · 06/05/2021 09:24

@Mumbot345635

Tigger - is she vaccinated? Vulnerable to covid? Will you both take lateral flow tests?

If I was you, subject to the above. I would meet outdoors (legal) and hug (again legal - there is no legal distance requirement outdoors how could there be when we walk past people the whole time on the street). Wear a mask, take a lateral flow, you can hug and be law abiding! Enjoy!!

In England you can’t meet in a coffee shop.

Re your dad, same précautions but I certainly wouldn’t meet him indoors if he has heart conditions and therefore vulnerable to covid unless he has been fully vaccinated (ie both vaccines plus 3 weeks) because of the risk to him. You could meet at say his doorstep where he’s indoors and you are out. Quick masked hug outdoors then him go in again. Again legal, and safe.

She is partially vaccinated and no I won't meet up outdoors tomorrow - it is freezing with snow showers forecast! Think we will Stick with meeting in a coffee shop and at least be warm.

But the rules state that 2 meter physical distance must be observed outdoors for people not in your household - no hugs!