How long before the UK become India

[Dandylioness1]

The scenes coming from India right now are petrifying.

Takes me back to the scenes from Italy last year.

My question, how long do you think we have until we are seeing similar scenes here.
Do we need to be prepared for this?

@PrincessNutNuts yes it was bad here but not the same as India as we don’t have 800 million poor, it will never be the same. We didn’t have a religious ceremony where 10 million people turned up and was encouraged by the government. We don’t have millions of people who will starve to death if we lockdown.

But still it isnt the same as India and I think to even say it is downplays what is going on. The fact that other countries as having to send medical supplies and aid.

We did let it get out of hand - our experience was the same as Italy (not China they handled it very differently) I dont think that is debatable at all.

But what is going on in India isnt the same at all

What is happening in India is awful. The politicians said they'd beaten covid (what a stupid thing to say) and they were having massive gatherings with no social distancing or masks. It does show how quickly things can get out of control if you just stop all preventative measures.

At the moment, vaccination is going well here and we still have social distancing and masks. Unless any of that changes, there is no reason to think things will get as bad as in India. Our medical system is also much better, although it's been under a lot of strain and I strongly think we need to keep social distancing and masks so as not to increase the covid pressure on the NHS again so they can catch up and weary medics can recover from the terrible experiences of the past year.

@Baileysforchristmas

Yes but the UK don’t have 800 million poor that will starve to death if you lockdown, so because we can afford to lockdown we won’t see what happening in India. I don’t know how they will get their numbers down 🤷‍♀️

Why would 800m starve to death because if that the choice, then they are better off with Covid :(

The only way India's situation will improve is if they stop making vaccines for healthy and wealthy nations and start using it on themselves.
The west can pay it bit more and make its own vaccine.

Longer term, India needs to stop spending its wealth on weapons and space programs and build up its social and healthcare systems.

The U.K. is no more like India than it is Sweden or New Zealand. Every country has its own challenges

Because if they don’t work they don’t eat.

www.soschildrensvillages.ca/news/poverty-in-india-602

@AlecTrevelyan006

The U.K. is no more like India than it is Sweden or New Zealand. Every country has its own challenges

The U.K. has plenty of qualities in common with other countries too: busy International travel hubs, similar economies, reliant on imports, big cities, population density, age of the population etc.

I'm beginning to think quality of government is one of the biggest deciding factors.

[quote Baileysforchristmas]@PrincessNutNuts yes it was bad here but not the same as India as we don’t have 800 million poor, it will never be the same. We didn’t have a religious ceremony where 10 million people turned up and was encouraged by the government. We don’t have millions of people who will starve to death if we lockdown.[/quote]
One of the biggest things we have in common with India is that both our governments seemed think they were getting away with it, not doing very much, missing COBR meetings etc, until BANG! exponential spread did what exponential spread does.

Herd immunity was declared there by certain types too, the same as it was here. And in Brazil.

And the end result is that thousands upon thousands of people die in both our countries.

[quote Baileysforchristmas]Because if they don’t work they don’t eat.

www.soschildrensvillages.ca/news/poverty-in-india-602[/quote]
Yes makes the UK getting its self another 60m Pfizer doses, so it can have zero CV and we can have another eat out to help out, immoral doesn't it?

We should be vaccinating the RoW not countries that have 70 or 80 % vaccine rates.

Yes I agree but India has a very corrupt system, they are charging a fortune for vaccines, only a very small amount of the poor will be vaccinated, even if we give all vaccines away to India for free.

Interesting article

www.google.com/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-what-you-pay-siis-covishield-vaccine-may-1-7283094/lite/

I think one major observation from the Covid pandemic is that is clear most of the population cannot understand statistics and risk.

India has a population (1.366 billion) which is 20 times larger than the UK (67 million) so clearly they are going to have more cases and more deaths than the UK and that's before you take other factors into consideration.
The number of Covid deaths in the UK is 130k compared to 202k in India. If you do a little me for like and take the greater population into account then India would need to have 4 million Covid deaths to be at the same level as the UK.
So on that basis India is doing comparatively well compared to the UK.

@1dayatatime nobody knows the true number of deaths in India as they are not recorded, an Indian news reporter said it’s probably 30 times that number. There’s no way India has had only 200,000 deaths.

India has a space progam, a nuclear capability but does not appear to have a welfare system.

Brazil is a pretty bad shape too, but surprisingly we dont hear much about it. Do we only care about former colonies?

@1dayatatime The following is a link to a excess deaths v Covid deaths chart produced by the Economist. India isn’t on there but a quick look at countries like Russia and Mexico will show you why the “official” Covid stats on Worldometer do not represent the true number of deaths for many countries:

www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-deaths-tracker

@MissAmandaLa1kes

India has a space progam, a nuclear capability but does not appear to have a welfare system.

Brazil is a pretty bad shape too, but surprisingly we dont hear much about it. Do we only care about former colonies?

The UK has a large Indian population of 1.4m and very large numbers of us work with Indian colleagues daily because of the English language, cultural and IT connections between our two countries. That gives a far larger number of family and long-term connections than between UK and Brazil. People care more about their own family and friends, that's just natural.

I know this will be disappointing for some people but its great news for most of us.

@Bordois

I know this will be disappointing for some people but its great news for most of us.

Why on earth would it be disappointing for some people? What a strange thing to say.

You must be new here 🤣

I was about to ask the same thing @TheClaws. Very weird thing to say. It seems when people were in agreement with restrictions, as they were obviously needed at the time, some posters wrongly assumed they were enjoying them. And from the above still continue to!

The politicians said they'd beaten covid (what a stupid thing to say) and they were having massive gatherings with no social distancing or masks. It does show how quickly things can get out of control if you just stop all preventative measures.
Do you think similar is happening in the UK with pub gathering? Or is the vaccine resistant?
Was India vaccine program going well? Why did they think they'd beaten it?

As I said, you must be new here. Or have somehow missed the multitude of threads and posts talking about how these mutations render the vaccines obsolete and in particular how useless the AZ one is.

Now they will need to find something else to spread fear and disinformation about

@1dayatatime if you’re only looking at raw figures then yes, on the face of it India isn’t doing badly, however case/fatalities don’t convey the whole situation. If you have more cases than your health system can cope with we witness scenes like we currently are in India and Brazil. If you had an island of 1000 and 100 with covid and one doctor their relative stats would read fine but the actual scenes on the ground would give a very different perspective.

@mrshoho & @TheClaws ignore it, it’s a tired trope trotted out by those determined to minimise the situation and rewrite history.

I would suggest you actually read some of those threads yourself @bordois since the overwhelming response is correcting those kinds of statements with facts. Sometimes they even manage to do it without being patronising.

@Bordois

As I said, you must be new here. Or have somehow missed the multitude of threads and posts talking about how these mutations render the vaccines obsolete and in particular how useless the AZ one is.

Now they will need to find something else to spread fear and disinformation about

Not at all new. Tired of tedious, goady statements lie yours, though.