How long before the UK become India

[Dandylioness1]

The scenes coming from India right now are petrifying.

Takes me back to the scenes from Italy last year.

My question, how long do you think we have until we are seeing similar scenes here.
Do we need to be prepared for this?

How can you compare the UK with India. India has 1.4 billion people, 800 million poor living on less than $2 a day, no NHS, no furlough if you lockdown millions of people will starve to death, there’s hardly any testing, where in the UK there are free tests for everyone. Not all deaths and births are registered so people die all the time but no one knows who or why they died, let alone how good are vaccine rollout is.

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[quote Baileysforchristmas]How can you compare the UK with India. India has 1.4 billion people, 800 million poor living on less than $2 a day, no NHS, no furlough if you lockdown millions of people will starve to death, there’s hardly any testing, where in the UK there are free tests for everyone. Not all deaths and births are registered so people die all the time but no one knows who or why they died, let alone how good are vaccine rollout is.

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@Baileysforchristmas

I did not compare the UK to India.

I asked how long do you think we have until we are seeing similar scenes here.
Do we need to be prepared for this.

We cannot pretend that what is happening there isn’t going to eventually affect us here!

We cannot pretend that what is happening there isn’t going to eventually affect us here!

Are you saying you think the UK will end up in a situation where people will be dying outside the hospitals because of a lack of beds/medication/oxygen ?

OP, we won't. If you are genuinely concerned, please don't worry so much.

• 60% of our adult population has been vaccinated, 95% of our most vulnerable.
• We have twice weekly testing in all senior schools and most workplaces, with centralised reporting.
• We have had a year to improve medical treatment, including treating blood clots pre-emptively, and finding better alternatives to ventilation for many cases.
• We have a far more resilient healthcare system with a much higher availability of ICU.
• We have a far more digital economy meaning more people can work from home, have food delivered, and isolate properly.
• Our population has a higher level of education, and a year's experience of how to deal with covid.
• We have a different social structure, with less multi-generational living and better housing.

The tone of your question makes it sound like you are saying it's enivitable here it says how long not if it will happen here.

And the only way to work that out is to compare the two country's.

India has extreme poverty and in some cases it's work or die. It's population is 20 times the amount here, and in the city's living on top of each other. Their healthcare system cannot cope with the sheer amount of people anyway. They haven't touched sides in vacination.

It is pure scaremongering to say it's going to happen here which you have said.

We cannot pretend that what is happening there isn’t going to eventually affect us here!

I've got good news for you OP. We don't need to pretend. I can't see any reason why you think the same is going to happen here. As other people have said, we live in a richer, less densely populated country with an NHS and a huge proportion of people vaccinated.

Good grief, OP - I can almost hear your hands rubbing together in anticipation...

@Silvercatowner

Good grief, OP - I can almost hear your hands rubbing together in anticipation...

I must admit, I was thinking the same.

I read only 34 people who have been vaccinated have ended up needing hospital care for covid.

That says it all for me.

OP- relax and stop reading the news.

This thread reminds me of last years early covid threads!

After the year we've had I wouldn't be so certain that the Indian variant is nothing to worry about. Obviously I hope everything over here will be totally different because of the facts stated by other posters (population/vaccines etc) but I'll still be cautious.

It was horrible seeing the Sky news report at the Indian hospital and now that we're in a better position we need to get help to them immediately.

Given the huge difference between what India has done up until now and what we have done, why do you think it's inevitable that what's happening there will happen here? We are much further on than India and better prepared.

In Mumbai they are dealing with B.1.1.7 Kent variant; that's the one the UK already had before lockdown and that we know the vaccines work really well against. Unfortunately India can't afford lockdown, many people live on much lower incomes where staying home without starving isn't possible.

In Delhi they may have more of the Indian variant B.1.617. What we can see in Delhi is not the variant as such, it's the reason why the whole world must be vaccinated, because there simply aren't sufficient hospital facilities to manage a large number of covid cases at once. Tests so far suggest Covishield (same as Oxford Astrazeneca) and Covaxin vaccine both appear to work well against this variant, it's reasonable to presume that the mRNA vaccines Pfizer and Moderna will also work well. UK has 49% of the whole population vaccinated as well as a proportion with antibodies from previous infections. India has only given a first dose to 8% of people and hadn't had such high infection rates as the UK in the first wave.

The PM Modi has also been reckless in holding huge political rallies, in allowing large festivals, in allowing travel all over India with cases rising so quickly, in not ensuring every state had prepared for another wave, in not even setting up logistics plans in advance to move crucial supplies like oxygen around the country, and in failing to push forward faster with the vaccination programme. None of those factors apply to the UK right now except travel and cases are low enough that isn't a concern.

@Dandylioness1 if you mean people lining up outside hospital and dying no, if you mean bodies being cremated in the street because the crematoriums are full no, if you mean rich people being able to buy oxygen tanks on the black market in case they get sick no, if you mean the government promising free vaccines for their vote no. What is happening in India will not happen here as our infrastructure is miles apart. The numbers in India are10 times what’s being reported, it’s more like 3 million new infections a day.

Not sure why OP is asking since they have all answers already.

Since so sure UK will end up in situation like India, why haven't Bangladesh, Bolivia, Nigeria, Vietnam, USA or Portugal already "become" India?

ODFOD!

Op have you ever been to India yourself? It is not comparable to here.

I propose a hard lockdown from Monday. And none of this lockdown lite nonsense either. We need a proper lockdown like they had in China. With tanks on the street and stuff.

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What would be useful would be for everyone who cares to give a donation to Covax. You can donate here: www.gavi.org/donate. It won't help with the short-term crisis, but it will help bring the pandemic to an end.

There are also a range of charities providing additional support in India, but I don't know which is providing the may help on the ground at the moment.

Well for starters our vaccination programme far outward India's so I really wouldn't worry c

We don’t have to make everything about us. I hope despite all the restrictions there’s a way for the UK to help, the scenes in India are really distressing.

One of the leading causes of death in India is also tuberculosis, and also diarrhoea related diseases. Do you also assume those will come out way?

er why????

Rather than look at India look at what’s happening in Israel, surely a better comparator www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-56868383

We won't. I feel so desperately sorry for the people in India, but it's just not the same here and vanishingly unlikely to happen.

Our infection numbers will go up, yes, I suspect things could get worse here in the autumn but not on the same scale as India, we are already working on a top up vaccine for variants, we are testing everyone now, so as soon as things do turn for the worse we will be able to manage it. We can also afford to lockdown if we have to which India can’t afford to do.