Anybody been invited and declined the jab?

[Devlesko]

Beginning to think I did the right thing now.
Anybody else?

[quote Parker231]@beguilingeyes - I’m also a volunteer - doing one day a week as a vaccinator. We are only using AZ. No cancellations but people wanting to hug me to thank me. Everyone has been lovely and so positive.[/quote]
It's lovely isn't it...I've never enjoyed a job so much. Almost everyone is excited/happy/, grateful. Some people are dressing up for the occasion.

I think other countries are being over cautious. The benefits far outweigh the risks. See also the US with the J&J. I'm sure that's only temporary.

[quote Farmer5505]@MarshaBradyo thanks for your reply. It is hard to find info as to how high my covid risk is - I am 46 but very fit (triathlete) and work from home, live rurally, don't have children, so my risk of catching it isn't high anyway. The only people I know or know of (friends/family of friends etc) who have been seriously ill or died of covid have been over 75 with serious underlying health issues - 1 death, 1 hospitalised and recovered. The only info I could find on people with no underlying health issues says that 388 people under 65 without underlying health issues had died in hospitals in England (not all UK) up until December 2020. No other info seems available.[/quote]
WHO have peer reviewed papers which details the average per age survival rate worldwide. Your risk of death is basically non existent

[quote Farmer5505]@MarshaBradyo thanks for your reply. It is hard to find info as to how high my covid risk is - I am 46 but very fit (triathlete) and work from home, live rurally, don't have children, so my risk of catching it isn't high anyway. The only people I know or know of (friends/family of friends etc) who have been seriously ill or died of covid have been over 75 with serious underlying health issues - 1 death, 1 hospitalised and recovered. The only info I could find on people with no underlying health issues says that 388 people under 65 without underlying health issues had died in hospitals in England (not all UK) up until December 2020. No other info seems available.[/quote]
www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf

Here is an an example.

See also the US with the J&J. I'm sure that's only temporary.

same type of vaccine as AZ.

It does surprise me that the US is being more cautious than the UK re side effects (not sure why but it does!)

@wasthataburp that link went to a blocked web page for me

[quote Farmer5505]@wasthataburp that link went to a blocked web page for me[/quote]
Ah sorry ! I've not actually posted a link here before!

www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf

Hopefully that works!

[quote Parker231]@Malahaha - no one can trust their body during a pandemic. We have the vaccines to save lives, which they has done. As the numbers of vaccines given has gone up, the numbers of cases and deaths are going down. Unfortunately trusting your body doesn’t work as we can see from the numbers of the deaths in the U.K. and worldwide.[/quote]
For my age group, without underlying health conditions, the recovery rate is 99.95%. I can confidently say that I can trust my body absolutely. You do not know me or my health status -- I am allowed to make my own calculations about my health.
I have never had the flu, not once in my memory. I don't get colds or coughs. My body works really, really well. So please stay out of making judgments.

I really don't want the vaccine but will have it because I know it's the right thing to do.
I've been invited to book but my nearest centre is miles away so I'm waiting until they open one nearer or I can have it at my GP's.

Malahaha - I am also in a low risk group, no underlying health conditions, can’t remember the last time I had any medication etc but I have had the vaccine (next AZ one in a months time) because I don’t know how Covid could affect me and I don’t want long Covid.
My friend died of Covid at the end of December - no underlying health problems. Two friends of a colleague, both in their 30’s have been in hospital since Christmas with Covid. I’m sure they never expected it to have such an effect on them.

Malahaha I agree with you and have decided not to have the vaccine. I do believe it will become compulsory if I want to go abroad (and can't afford to have a multitude of tests) and have a horrible feeling it will become compulsory to attend any UK concert/theatre/outdoor sporting event/restaurant/pub at least for the next two years. I will also be ostracised by my family (but I can live with that )

I think the balance of the argument should take much greater account of the catastrophic impact that Long Covid is having on people’s relationships, families, careers, finances - not just their poor state of health!

Many, many people on long Covid Facebook groups and those on this forum are formerly fit and healthy surfers, hikers, bikers, exercise loving, healthy people.

In addition, long Covid also appears to be delayed in some people the only appearing months later when exercise and / or stress levels become significant.

MN absolutes in action here - many too stupid to realise that a disease that probably won't kill you can, shock horror, have other effects. Covid-19 is a horrible virus that can make you permanently ill.

still, if your fuckwit level of understanding makes you happy to take that chance, go ahead. Let's not waste vaccines.

The reality is no government would sit on an easy solution to let pharma make a profit now or in a year or so.

If it were JUST about pharma making a profit --- but it's not. Yes, they are making a profit but that's just one piece in the puzzle.
More than that I will not say.

Long covid is certainly an issue. But it’s important to keep the risk in perspective.

This article in Nature is the most recent data I could find on the subject.

13% of people reported symptoms at 28 days from initial infection
4.5% at 8 weeks
2.3% at 12 weeks

The risk of long covid is correlated with increasing age and BMI, but also with being female.

I wonder how this compares to flu. When I had influenza some years ago it took a good 6 months before I felt back to normal. I don’t think it’s at all unusual after suffering from a bad illness.

There seems to be a smaller group of people who face very debilitating, life-changing symptoms months after covid, but again, I question whether this is a special attribute of covid. People with ME/CFS have been reporting for years that their symptoms started after a viral infection and I wonder if this is the same phenomenon.

If there’s any good to come of from this pandemic, perhaps it will be that people who suffer with ME/CFS will finally be taken seriously.

How do we know how many lives were saved by the vaccines?
We were stuck in lockdown through the primary vaccination.
Could the lockdown have saved the lives?
I'm not having the vaccine and my mum and partner think I am (despite me telling him I'm not) . She's got her second one shortly and she's happy. I'm going to die of something at some stage and if I go first he'll be fine financially and will soon find somebody else.
It is what it is and I accept I'll be a pariah, but that's nothing new.

Yes, we did.
Weighing up the pros and cons our health is finely tuned at the moment and we decided as a couple that we aren’t prepared to play Russian roulette with the vax
We might be very lucky and be fine
We weren’t prepared to take the risk that this experimental jab won’t compromise our health more.

I think that’s perfectly reasonable.

still, if your fuckwit level of understanding makes you happy to take that chance, go ahead

My fuckwit level of understanding has managed to work out that, as I have severe reactions to a range of medication that incapacitate me for months, and was not particularly ill from covid, I might just want to body-swerve a vaccination.
What a fuckwit I am

Bognor quite.

What about people like me who are still feeling unwell from the vaccine 5 weeks on. I did worry about long covid and also wanted to protect my family but now I regret having it. My periods are messed up and have constant fatigue. Everyone I know who has been vaccinated in their 20s and 30s have had a similar reaction as me, whereas people in 50s I know didn’t have a single side effect. I don’t feel comfortable knowing that different countries are taking a different stance with what age groups should have AZ.

From what I’ve observed, it’s also strongly correlated with generous sick pay packages in the public sector.

Interesting observation. In my industry everyone is a contractor and commission based, and when we had a covid outbreak last year among my colleagues every single person was back at work as soon as the mandatory isolation period had ended.

Posted by @Vargas on page 11

Whereas choosing not to have the Covid vaccine and getting Covid badly enough to be hospitalised are directly related

Posted by @Checkingout811 on page 10

If hospitals become overrun again and we had to choose which patient to treat, an older man who has been vaccinated vs a younger man who refused it- I wouldn’t want to choose the younger man. Yet protocol would advise me to. Extremely frustrating

@Somebunnylovesyou22

What about people like me who are still feeling unwell from the vaccine 5 weeks on. I did worry about long covid and also wanted to protect my family but now I regret having it. My periods are messed up and have constant fatigue. Everyone I know who has been vaccinated in their 20s and 30s have had a similar reaction as me, whereas people in 50s I know didn’t have a single side effect. I don’t feel comfortable knowing that different countries are taking a different stance with what age groups should have AZ.

Sorry to hear all that.

I have seen a few threads on MN about messed up periods.
Noticed today there is an article in the DM about it too[started from 2 doctors tweets on twitter I think]. The two doctors are now setting up science research about it.

@BuggerBognor

The risk of long covid is correlated with increasing age and BMI, but also with being female.

From what I’ve observed, it’s also strongly correlated with generous sick pay packages in the public sector.

Indeed.

@Farmer5505

See also the US with the J&J. I'm sure that's only temporary.

same type of vaccine as AZ.

It does surprise me that the US is being more cautious than the UK re side effects (not sure why but it does!)

Fauci said that he was pretty sure they'd be using it again by the end of the week. The US is vaccinating the over-16s.