Anybody been invited and declined the jab?

[Devlesko]

Beginning to think I did the right thing now.
Anybody else?

@HappydaysArehere

My mil had a phrase for this kind of thread “Nought so strange as folk”. Afraid of a jab and possible very rare side effects but not concerned about Covid and long Covid. Hmmm!!!

Just one little detail to put things straight: I am not afraid of the jab. I simply trust my body to to its job and believe it doesn't need assistance. That is and has been my stance most of my adult life. I'm very particular about food and all medication: out of reverence for nature, not out of fear.

I’m all up for rational discussion but some of this stuff pushes the boundaries of being logical and rational. The Vitamin D thing in particular.

I do wonder if the Government are hoping to get as many people between 30 and 50 vaccinated with AZ and then they might say people under 50 can have a different vaccine once it is thrown open to under 30s.

I dont get people saying we wont get a jab as the govt seem very keen to mop up non vaccinated people. Most likely though people who are holding out for a different vaccine will drop down the queue.

I'm more than happy to wait

I was not saying that vitamin d, HCQ, ivermectin, or anything else for that matter is safe under all circumstance and always and every time!!! Heck, even water can be dangerous! The use of the word "aspirin" was solely to indicate that HCQ is something in common use in those countries, just as aspirin is in 1st world countries. Talk about riding out a tiny inconsequential detail to the nth degree!!!

So now you're changing your mind. Your words were 'Actually, no. No risks, if the protocal for prescription is followed. That's what the word "safe" means. They are available over the counter. That's how safe they are. You can buy them like aspirin.'

@MarshaBradyo Honestly do you really think this about vitamin D?
Can you outline what exactly - That the government have a simple, cheap solution but are not using it?

Kind of tired of repeating myself. As I’ve already said, I haven’t examined vitamin D enough to say whether it’s a solution or not, but it certainly wouldn’t be a profitable solution if it was found to be successful prophylactic measure against serious covid. That’s the last I’ll say about vitamin D.

The government has made many decisions during this pandemic which I find very strange. At this point I have to question how many of those odd decisions were made in the interest of public health, and how many were driven by other motivations (including but not limited to profit, which I agree, doesn’t seem like a full explanation)

As to those other motivations, well, that’s heading into conspiracy theory territory, I suppose. The Telegraph Fear thread and the WEF thread explore some ideas if you’re interested. But it doesn’t strike me as a very useful discussion to have on this thread, which is about people’s personal decisions to decline or accept the vaccines.

@Malahaha - no one can trust their body during a pandemic. We have the vaccines to save lives, which they has done. As the numbers of vaccines given has gone up, the numbers of cases and deaths are going down. Unfortunately trusting your body doesn’t work as we can see from the numbers of the deaths in the U.K. and worldwide.

[quote Terracotta9]**@MarshaBradyo* Honestly do you really think this about vitamin D?
Can you outline what exactly - That the government have a simple, cheap solution but are not using it?*

Kind of tired of repeating myself. As I’ve already said, I haven’t examined vitamin D enough to say whether it’s a solution or not, but it certainly wouldn’t be a profitable solution if it was found to be successful prophylactic measure against serious covid. That’s the last I’ll say about vitamin D.

The government has made many decisions during this pandemic which I find very strange. At this point I have to question how many of those odd decisions were made in the interest of public health, and how many were driven by other motivations (including but not limited to profit, which I agree, doesn’t seem like a full explanation)

As to those other motivations, well, that’s heading into conspiracy theory territory, I suppose. The Telegraph Fear thread and the WEF thread explore some ideas if you’re interested. But it doesn’t strike me as a very useful discussion to have on this thread, which is about people’s personal decisions to decline or accept the vaccines.[/quote]
Why did you interject to talk about the topic it if so tired, seems a trend.

I ask for a straight answer because it’s typical for people to divert and allude than be straight about the reality of what they claim.

All this murky could be a solution but I it maybe not being used is bonkers if you think in a logical manner.

Especially as pp has noted vitamin D is being offered. It’s not being held back in any case.

I do belong on straight data threads it’s true as this warping makes me squirm but I also think some of it could be problematic if numbers increase to where society has to act. We’re all past caring I think and want normality, so hopefully decliners won’t impact that.

I think the government's weird decision making in this crisis is what is prompting such unease in many people. There has been no consistency and potential ways forward have been consistently leaked in order to test the waters with the public first. This leads to the impression decisions are being made for reasons of political expediency above all else. Our elected PM is too idle to get on top of his brief and instead hides behind scientists. The institution whose projections have been regularly cited by government - Imperial College - has a track record of getting things spectacularly wrong.
In short, why should people trust this government and why should they trust Johnson's cabal of chosen scientists?

no one can trust their body during a pandemic

And the subtle scaremongering continues...

With as high a survival rate as covid, its pretty clear that most people can indeed trust their body to deal with the infection.

@MarshaBradyo you seem to be an advocate of AZ - could you let me know why you think other countries are not offering AZ to healthy people my age but this country is offering no alternative? Is it because we have a lot of AZ supply rather than it being to do with it being deemed 'safe' (risk vs benefit) for this age group? I genuinely want a vaccine, and would love to feel reassured about the AZ, but the fact I wouldn't be offered it if I lived in a different country doesn't make me happy.

@BuggerBognor Thanks for replying to my post. Unfortunately I don't know anyone where I live who has had anything other than AZ throughout the whole vaccination period. Maybe Moderna will arrive at some point!

@PinkSparklyPussyCat

I was not saying that vitamin d, HCQ, ivermectin, or anything else for that matter is safe under all circumstance and always and every time!!! Heck, even water can be dangerous! The use of the word "aspirin" was solely to indicate that HCQ is something in common use in those countries, just as aspirin is in 1st world countries. Talk about riding out a tiny inconsequential detail to the nth degree!!!

So now you're changing your mind. Your words were 'Actually, no. No risks, if the protocal for prescription is followed. That's what the word "safe" means. They are available over the counter. That's how safe they are. You can buy them like aspirin.'

You do like to split hairs, don't you? I would assume that if it were prescribed by a doctor for Covid treatment, it would be definitely safe, as opposed to administered oneself? I stand by my words.

Many of us are indeed thinking about why the government seems to have made so many strange public health decisions during the pandemic.

Of course, we are then branded “conspiracy theorists” for doing so

You’re not being branded conspiracy theorists for thinking about it. But if you think about it and come to the conclusion that the government is pushing vaccines in order to allow pharmaceutical companies to make a profit while the economy goes down the pan while simultaneously sidelining a simple, cheap alternative, well...

I'm working at a mass Vaccination Centre at the moment. We opened up to walk-ins recently and are pretty much doing anyone over-18. We only offer AZ and have been swamped.

We're doing tons of under 30s as well.

You do like to split hairs, don't you? I would assume that if it were prescribed by a doctor for Covid treatment, it would be definitely safe, as opposed to administered oneself? I stand by my words.

Jesus Christ, just because something is prescribed by a doctor doesn't make it safe! I had a rare reaction to antibiotics which were obviously prescribed by doctor. It didn't make them safe for me. DH had a severe and long term reaction to statins, also prescribed by a doctor. They weren't safe for him.

I'm amazed that you won't take the vaccine (as is your right) but think that if something is prescribed by a doctor it's automatically safe! There are risks to every medication whether it's prescribed, self administered, well established or brand new.

Mala I am similar. I have about one headache pill every 15 years. I have never even taken the contraceptive pill. I am not saying I would never take medicine which is needed and I have certainly had antibiotics in the past and childhood vaccinations, but on this one I have considered it carefully and probably will not have it. It would be similar to me if most people my age 50s were recommended to take statins or aspirin every day - I would refuse and take my chances without. It is just a personal preference really.

@beguilingeyes - I’m also a volunteer - doing one day a week as a vaccinator. We are only using AZ. No cancellations but people wanting to hug me to thank me. Everyone has been lovely and so positive.

[quote Parker231]@beguilingeyes - I’m also a volunteer - doing one day a week as a vaccinator. We are only using AZ. No cancellations but people wanting to hug me to thank me. Everyone has been lovely and so positive.[/quote]
I could have hugged my vaccinator and chaperone on Sunday, they were so lovely to me. I have a needle phobia (hence the chaperone!) and once DH explained to them I was looked after every step of the way. There was only a short queue but I was taken to the front, I was allowed to lay down when I had the jab and they stayed with me until I was ready to go and then walked be back out to DH to make sure I was ok.

@BuggerBognor thank you, that may be my plan then, unless I manage to feel more reassured about AZ before then!

[quote Parker231]@Malahaha - no one can trust their body during a pandemic. We have the vaccines to save lives, which they has done. As the numbers of vaccines given has gone up, the numbers of cases and deaths are going down. Unfortunately trusting your body doesn’t work as we can see from the numbers of the deaths in the U.K. and worldwide.[/quote]
It doesn't work for the vulnerable. The vulnerable have been vaccinated. Let's leave everyone else alone to trust their bodies if that's what they choose. It's not for you to say otherwise

[quote Farmer5505]@MarshaBradyo you seem to be an advocate of AZ - could you let me know why you think other countries are not offering AZ to healthy people my age but this country is offering no alternative? Is it because we have a lot of AZ supply rather than it being to do with it being deemed 'safe' (risk vs benefit) for this age group? I genuinely want a vaccine, and would love to feel reassured about the AZ, but the fact I wouldn't be offered it if I lived in a different country doesn't make me happy.[/quote]
Farmer yes supply but also based on relative risk by age. I know that at 46 my risk is greater from Covid than the AZ vaccine.

I’m a slim, female so maybe my risk isn’t too bad but it’s still incredibly low from vaccine v Covid.

I’m not actually much of a medicine taker, no pill, rarely if ever at Dr (touch wood) but I see vaccine as a big breakthrough to get us out of this.

If you can find another type then I’d say go for it as it will calm your anxiety I think. But I’ve had AZ and really feel so relieved. As if I’m through this bad period. Nearly - just need society back to normal then all good.

It was also very calming at centre- really mundane, normal and busy - felt like the opposite to some threads that feel heightened with anxiety

Good luck, I hope you find a way to get it even if not AZ

@MarshaBradyo I feel the same way as you. I'm the same age (but sadly not slim!) but to me the risk from the vaccine was less than from Covid or long Covid.

@MarshaBradyo thanks for your reply. It is hard to find info as to how high my covid risk is - I am 46 but very fit (triathlete) and work from home, live rurally, don't have children, so my risk of catching it isn't high anyway. The only people I know or know of (friends/family of friends etc) who have been seriously ill or died of covid have been over 75 with serious underlying health issues - 1 death, 1 hospitalised and recovered. The only info I could find on people with no underlying health issues says that 388 people under 65 without underlying health issues had died in hospitals in England (not all UK) up until December 2020. No other info seems available.

Not everyone is lucky enough to be able to rely on their amazing immune system
I don't have one, and I can't improve it so I took the vaccine because covid was more likely to kill me. Damn those underlying health conditions making me disposable