Anybody been invited and declined the jab?

[Devlesko]

Beginning to think I did the right thing now.
Anybody else?

@Devlesko oh god didn't even see that autocorrect

@Malahaha

Don't be so ridiculous, there are risks attached to every medication or vaccine. Do you not bother reading the patient leaflets?

@Malahaha have you read the leaflet in aspirin ? All medicines carry a risk to someone potentially

Of course. You both seemed to have ignored those few words I added: "follow the protocol"; in other words, take as prescribed, or in the leaflet. An aspirin taken for a headache is not going to kill me. Taking a whole bottle full of aspirin might, but I didn't say that.

Just because you 'follow protocol' doesn't mean something is safe! I take it you don't believe in allergies or intolerances then. Penicillin is classed as safe but could kill some people even if they take it according to guidelines

@Malahaha even aspirin has a side effects list on the patient notes inside the packet. Some people are allergic to certain medications so even if taken as directed they'd have a negative reaction!

You do know AZ is at cost?

AstraZeneca agreed that they will not profit from the vaccine “during the pandemic”

In documents to their Brazilian manufacturer, AZ defined the “pandemic period” as ending in July 2021. They could extend this period, but ultimately its up to AZ. This was reported in the Financial Times (paywalled)

Booster shots for the foreseeable future means AZ stands to profit hugely from the vaccine, even with the not-for-profit period.

@Terracotta9

You do know AZ is at cost?

AstraZeneca agreed that they will not profit from the vaccine “during the pandemic”

In documents to their Brazilian manufacturer, AZ defined the “pandemic period” as ending in July 2021. They could extend this period, but ultimately its up to AZ. This was reported in the Financial Times (paywalled)

Booster shots for the foreseeable future means AZ stands to profit hugely from the vaccine, even with the not-for-profit period.

Yes I know, it’s still great one vaccine is at cost at this stage, or do you disagree?

It’s likely not to be the case next time as they’ve had so much criticism, it’s felt to not be worth it.

The point is that another poster said there was no big profit to be made in using vitamin D as a prophylactic measure against serious covid infection, and you replied the AZ is being administered at cost, implying that there was also no big profit to be made from that vaccine.

But it’s simply not true. Read AZ’s own promises to their shareholders. They will profit greatly from the vaccine.

@Terracotta9

The point is that another poster said there was no big profit to be made in using vitamin D as a prophylactic measure against serious covid infection, and you replied the AZ is being administered at cost, implying that there was also no big profit to be made from that vaccine.

But it’s simply not true. Read AZ’s own promises to their shareholders. They will profit greatly from the vaccine.

Good.

Do you really think if the government could exit this with vitamin D alone we’d be going through this?

Tbh, I haven’t looked enough at the data on Vit D to say either way.

But regardless of whether vitamin D is a solution or not, the previous commenter was correct — there is very little money to made from vitamin D compared to vaccines.

@Terracotta9

Tbh, I haven’t looked enough at the data on Vit D to say either way.

But regardless of whether vitamin D is a solution or not, the previous commenter was correct — there is very little money to made from vitamin D compared to vaccines.

And it’s more important to you to align with this?

Ok

It’s flat earther territory to me. People are very sure when so very skewed though.

Huh? Im not making any claims about the efficacy of vitamin D, I’m just describing the reality of the situation:

There is no profit to made from using Vitamin D as a prophylactic measure against serious covid.

There is much profit to be made from vaccines.

@Terracotta9

Huh? Im not making any claims about the efficacy of vitamin D, I’m just describing the reality of the situation:

There is no profit to made from using Vitamin D as a prophylactic measure against serious covid.

There is much profit to be made from vaccines.

You did read the claim from pp?

The reality is no government would sit on an easy solution to let pharma make a profit now or in a year or so.

It’s crazy to think so.

@MarshaBradyo

There is no profit in vitamin d, so basically, yes, though there's more to it than that. It had to be a vaccine.

You do know AZ is at cost?

The at cost thing was agreed up front. The profits come later down the line, anybody who has been even vaguely keeping up knows that.

Oh fgs you lot

Yes I know.

Yes I read the claim of the PP, but as I said, I’ve not looked into vitamin D enough to say whether it’s a realistic solution to the pandemic or not.

The commenter is definitely correct on one point, however, which is that vitamin D simply doesn’t have the profit-making potential of vaccines.

I’m sorry if that fact makes you uncomfortable.

@MarshaBradyo

Honestly if a country could get out of this with just vitamin D they wouldn’t be doing this.

I know it’s hard to divert when so very convinced though.

They didn't even try. They could have at least have tried in the interim, while waiting for a vaccine, as a provisional prophylactic. They didn't. Can you explain that?

@Terracotta9

Yes I read the claim of the PP, but as I said, I’ve not looked into vitamin D enough to say whether it’s a realistic solution to the pandemic or not.

The commenter is definitely correct on one point, however, which is that vitamin D simply doesn’t have the profit-making potential of vaccines.

I’m sorry if that fact makes you uncomfortable.

Haha not at all just amused at why you keep jumping in with this stuff as if I’m meant to be uncomfortable or making you scared or whatever.

Personally profit doesn’t make me ‘uncomfortable’

No need to be sorry.

All those questioning it (really surprised so many are like this) have a think about how much this is costing the government, and us for decades, and why they’d take that hit so somewhere down the line AZ can make a profit.

@Malahaha

I agree that it’s odd they didn’t even try it. I remember the vitamin D connection was reported quite early on in the pandemic. It would have been relatively easy and safe to roll it out among vulnerable populations.

Not been invited as yet but I will decline. I am younger and fit. The old and vulnerable have been invited and had it if that's what they chose. There is no benefit to myself to have it.

All those questioning it (really surprised so many are like this) have a think about how much this is costing the government, and us for decades, and why they’d take that hit so somewhere down the line AZ can make a profit.

Many of us are indeed thinking about why the government seems to have made so many strange public health decisions during the pandemic.

Of course, we are then branded “conspiracy theorists” for doing so

@Terracotta9

All those questioning it (really surprised so many are like this) have a think about how much this is costing the government, and us for decades, and why they’d take that hit so somewhere down the line AZ can make a profit.

Many of us are indeed thinking about why the government seems to have made so many strange public health decisions during the pandemic.

Of course, we are then branded “conspiracy theorists” for doing so

Honestly do you really think this about vitamin D?

Can you outline what exactly -

That the government have a simple, cheap solution but are not using it?

Or something else

Just because you 'follow protocol' doesn't mean something is safe! I take it you don't believe in allergies or intolerances then. Penicillin is classed as safe but could kill some people even if they take it according to guidelines

even aspirin has a side effects list on the patient notes inside the packet. Some people are allergic to certain medications so even if taken as directed they'd have a negative reaction!

I give up. You people are relentless, aren't you? Desperate, much?

I was not saying that vitamin d, HCQ, ivermectin, or anything else for that matter is safe under all circumstance and always and every time!!! Heck, even water can be dangerous! The use of the word "aspirin" was solely to indicate that HCQ is something in common use in those countries, just as aspirin is in 1st world countries. Talk about riding out a tiny inconsequential detail to the nth degree!!!

Look, I'm not against anyone having a jab if it makes them feel safe and protected.

This thread is titled "Anybody been invited and declined the jab?"
So it was addressing people like myself, and we gave our reasons. Let it be. I have given mine. You might not agree, you might disagree strongly, but they are MY reasons and I am confident and not in fear of Covid. Let it be, OK?

To read these posts you'd think it was an invitation for everyone who DID get the jab, or is going to, to post enthusiastically, and to shut down those who DID reply on topic, declaring us all nutters! This is what MN has become.

(Strictly speaking I haven't been invited and haven't declined; in Ireland, people my age could have called to make an appointment last Thursday. I didn't.)

I think the fact that the NHS offered free Vitamin D for anyone vulnerable to coronavirus or shielding says there is clearly more benefit to taking it if you fall into that category than not.

@Terracotta9

All those questioning it (really surprised so many are like this) have a think about how much this is costing the government, and us for decades, and why they’d take that hit so somewhere down the line AZ can make a profit.

Many of us are indeed thinking about why the government seems to have made so many strange public health decisions during the pandemic.

Of course, we are then branded “conspiracy theorists” for doing so

Indeed Terracotta. I tried to have a healthy conversation about this to an old friend who has now decided I need a tinfoil hat. It's very easy to discredit someone's very real concerns and questioning by simply branding them a conspiracy theorist.