Anybody been invited and declined the jab?

[Devlesko]

Beginning to think I did the right thing now.
Anybody else?

Actually, no. No risks, if the protocal for prescription is followed.
That's what the word "safe" means. They are available over the counter. That's how safe they are. You can buy them like aspirin.

So basically you’re saying that the government refused to push Vitamin D because the pharmaceutical companies didn’t want it? What would be the reason for that? (and I’m not sure using aspirin as an example strengthens your argument).

@MarshaBradyo
There is no reason to believe that someone who has had covid twice, with milder symptoms the second time around is at any risk of getting seriously ill with covid. Not based on our knowledge of covid19 in particular, or based on our knowledge of respiratory/corona viruses in general.

It’s bizarre that even with my 2 trivial experiences with covid, people seem to want me to still be afraid of the virus.

Dr Simone Gold was told by her hospital to stop treating covid patients (effectively) with ivermectin. She persisted, spoke out, and was fired. She went on to found America's Frontline Doctors and speaks out courageously and openly.

Is that the same Simone Gold who was arrested for taking part in the Capitol riots?

[quote KurtWilde]@MarshaBradyo I'm not sure, and that's just me being honest. I haven't been swayed by talk of side effects or friends who are HCP refusing the jab, although I do wonder why the UK thinks it knows better than other countries when it comes to not pausing the AZ vaccine!

For me it's about having had covid recently, knowing my body will have set up some immunity to it. I also don't fall into any type of vulnerable category so that's another factor of my decision.

I'm by no means an anti-vaxxer, btw, my children are fully up to date on their jabs! [/quote]
Having immunity means you have it I agree, regardless of vaccine or not.

The benefit to me over this route is timing. It’s hard to know when natural immunity will wane but when vaccinated you can feel more reassured that you’ll get what you need at the best time.

There’s no reason people can’t decide to join but it’s hard to gauge what will happen with timing and natural immunity I reckon.

I don’t know what the latest is on infection after first immunity.

[quote Terracotta9]@MarshaBradyo
There is no reason to believe that someone who has had covid twice, with milder symptoms the second time around is at any risk of getting seriously ill with covid. Not based on our knowledge of covid19 in particular, or based on our knowledge of respiratory/corona viruses in general.

It’s bizarre that even with my 2 trivial experiences with covid, people seem to want me to still be afraid of the virus.[/quote]
This made me laugh. I don’t want you to be anything.

I asked another poster a question and you jumped in with your story.

The benefit to me over this route is timing. It’s hard to know when natural immunity will wane but when vaccinated you can feel more reassured that you’ll get what you need at the best time.

I don’t think they know when natural immunity OR vaccine immunity will wane.

It wasn’t directed at you particularly, @MarshaBradyo, just commenting generally on the type of responses I’ve received after speaking about my trivial experiences with covid.

@ConstantlyChanging

The benefit to me over this route is timing. It’s hard to know when natural immunity will wane but when vaccinated you can feel more reassured that you’ll get what you need at the best time.

I don’t think they know when natural immunity OR vaccine immunity will wane.

It will be studied for vaccine I’m sure, it’s crucial information.

I do wonder if we’ve seen any decline yet but I haven’t looked into it

Don't be so ridiculous, there are risks attached to every medication or vaccine. Do you not bother reading the patient leaflets?

@Malahaha have you read the leaflet in aspirin ? All medicines carry a risk to someone potentially

Of course. You both seemed to have ignored those few words I added: "follow the protocol"; in other words, take as prescribed, or in the leaflet. An aspirin taken for a headache is not going to kill me. Taking a whole bottle full of aspirin might, but I didn't say that.

@Terracotta9

It wasn’t directed at you particularly, *@MarshaBradyo*, just commenting generally on the type of responses I’ve received after speaking about my trivial experiences with covid.

Ok it’s great you’ve had it mildly twice

If it turns out to be population level I’ll be happy for sure, we’d be in a better place than if not

@Sitthisoneout Brilliant post.

@MarshaBradyo I'm certain they'll be looking at how long immunity lasts after covid without a jab to follow up and also in those people who haven't had the virus but have had the jab. Both need to be observed for it to be a fair test of immunity.

Anecdotally, my DM has just had her second dose and said she doesn't feel any better protected because she doesn't have much faith in vaccines.

As a child I caught measles, Herman measles (rubella) etc and now have lifelong immunity to those things. Hopefully over the course of the coming year they'll have a better idea as to the length of immunity after having covid and I can make a better informed decision on whether to have the vaccine.

Anyone wanting to avoid AZ can simply do a bit of sleuthing to find out which centres are doing Moderna.

@BuggerBognor

how do you find this out? I am in SW rural area, not near London or big cities, if that makes any difference

Kurt yes I’m sure it’d be interesting to see both studies if there are any out already, maybe too soon.

The only thing with vaccines is I wonder if they standardise timing in a way that won’t be true for individual immunity without a jab. So one person can be three months or 12 without one, then it’s harder to know which you are.

Sitthisoneout absolutely spot on post there.

@BuggerBognor

Anyone wanting to avoid AZ can simply do a bit of sleuthing to find out which centres are doing Moderna. Last week it included Madejski stadium, Etihad and St Helen’s RFC. I would have refused AZ but was happy to have Pfizer or Moderna. I had Moderna last weekend and I’ve been absolutely grand - a massive difference to DH’s terrible reaction to AZ.

I wish there was more openness around this - there are clearly plenty of people willing to take the AZ risk and a few (like me) who have doubts given the uncertain/moving data and the inconsistency in other countries. If the objective is to vaccinate as many as possible, don’t just say “take AZ or leave it”. 🤷🏻‍♀️

You would get over demand for non-AZ if a choice was given

Most take it now as don’t have the same level of anxiety as some but given a choice people will think ok I’ll go for the one not in headlines

I do think people with medical history should get a different one but it appears GPs are contacting many already

@MrsFezziwig

Actually, no. No risks, if the protocal for prescription is followed. That's what the word "safe" means. They are available over the counter. That's how safe they are. You can buy them like aspirin.

So basically you’re saying that the government refused to push Vitamin D because the pharmaceutical companies didn’t want it? What would be the reason for that? (and I’m not sure using aspirin as an example strengthens your argument).

There is no profit in vitamin d, so basically, yes, though there's more to it than that. It had to be a vaccine.

I wasn't using aspirin to strengthen my argument. I was saying that HCQ is a common medication, which lots of people in Africa, Asia and South America might have in their home medicine cabinet the way we in Europe have aspirin. It's been around for donkey's years and is generally regarded as safe.

Probably much safer than aspirin, actually, so you're right, it's a bad comparison! I just grasped at a common medication many people would have to hand in their homes; nothing sinister to be read into it!

There is no profit in vitamin d, so basically, yes, though there's more to it than that. It had to be a vaccine.

You do know AZ is at cost?

Honestly if a country could get out of this with just vitamin D they wouldn’t be doing this.

I know it’s hard to divert when so very convinced though.

I was pleased to see this this morning:

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/tony-blair-urges-release-full-vaccination-data-combat-fear-astrazeneca/amp/

Elsewhere, there was an article re researchers looking into the missed periods issue but annoyingly, I can’t find the link now!

While scientists are working to understand what’s going on, the obvious thing would be to offer those who are very concerned a different jab. It looks like a lot of Moderna and Pfizer was given out last week so the supplies are there. If people were simply told which one they are going to have at the point of booking, that would be a first step.

I just hate not being given a choice.

And before you say that’s not possible because people then go vaccine shopping - if the alternatives are only available at a handful of centres and with limited availability ie longer wait times, then the majority I think of those who are not so concerned about blood clots will still opt for the more convenient option of having AZ at a local hub.

OH has declined. His choice, his body autonomy. I have had one jab, waiting for the second, but my motivation is purely bureaucratic in case covid passports are brought in. I do have an underlying health condition but that's secondary.

@Farmer5505

Anyone wanting to avoid AZ can simply do a bit of sleuthing to find out which centres are doing Moderna.

@BuggerBognor

how do you find this out? I am in SW rural area, not near London or big cities, if that makes any difference

Hi Farmer, I just googled my vaccination centre and found a newspaper article from when it opened stating it would give out pfizer.

[quote KurtWilde]@MarshaBradyo I'm certain they'll be looking at how long immunity lasts after covid without a jab to follow up and also in those people who haven't had the virus but have had the jab. Both need to be observed for it to be a fair test of immunity.

Anecdotally, my DM has just had her second dose and said she doesn't feel any better protected because she doesn't have much faith in vaccines.

As a child I caught measles, Herman measles (rubella) etc and now have lifelong immunity to those things. Hopefully over the course of the coming year they'll have a better idea as to the length of immunity after having covid and I can make a better informed decision on whether to have the vaccine. [/quote]
I don't like the sound of Herman measles, that sounds bad.

I had it enthusiastically just as I have been vaccinated against other diseases. I felt a sense of relief and gratitude after I had it as did my 91 yr old father and his fellow elderly residents.