Anybody been invited and declined the jab?

[Devlesko]

Beginning to think I did the right thing now.
Anybody else?

I've refused two because I knew they'd be AZ due to storage at our surgery. Not a conspiracy theorist or anti vaxxer. It's partly due to lack of full disclosure of what's in them and the fact that it's an ongoing live trial with results not conclusive until 2023. I'm also a member of a Facebook group for bereaved directly after the Covid jab and for those who have had a severe reaction and the stories/pics are pretty compelling. Of course some will likely be coincidence when immunising millions of people, but I'd rather wait it out for a while and take my chances. I react to every medication I've ever taken too so a bit hesitant because of that. My son had the Pfizer in Feb with no issues.

I have had my first dose and will have my second dose. @TeraPatrick you are in the majority not the minority. However you must remember that this thread is just a tiny corner of MN with a lot of the same people posting time and time again. MN is not representative of the general population and I do not believe the coronavirus threads to be representative of MN (otherwise I would go elsewhere).

My SIL has declined it but none of her 5 kids have had any of their childhood vaccinations. Her reasoning is that you are poisoning your body with toxins out of choice - if you catch covid it is bad luck. She homeschools her kids permanently to minimize the risk of covid coming into the home.

@jacspatoutthecat

My SIL has declined it but none of her 5 kids have had any of their childhood vaccinations. Her reasoning is that you are poisoning your body with toxins out of choice - if you catch covid it is bad luck. She homeschools her kids permanently to minimize the risk of covid coming into the home.

Sounds a nutter

@TheVanguardSix

I've had a few invites. I have declined. My brother haemorrhaged to death after the Moderna jab. They could not save him.

Sorey to hear this, how on earth did it happening? I've had the Moderna today.

MaxHanno

Yes. I am. I'm not an anti-vaxxer and I have been waiting for this vaccine for as long as everyone else. I think your message is cruel, given that I am about to bury my brother. Both my brother and I are immunocompromised- my brother much more seriously than I. His doctors really deliberated over whether or not he should have the vaccine. It was a big discussion. Benefits and risks were weighed up and he was given Moderna. He was not feeling well and ended up dying less than 24 hours later. His bleeding could not be stopped. He has never had a haemorrhage before this incident.

I've been on MN a long, long time MaxHanno and I think you need to check in with yourself if you think the way you've approached me is really how you would talk to someone whose brother died. I'm sorry to have to say that yes, there is the odd person who will die from the covid vaccine, be it Moderna, J&J, AZ. It is exceptionally rare, as are the conditions my brother and I have. Because my brother died just after having the vaccine, I am too scared to have it now. It's been terrifying and sad. Lucky you to live a life so full of good health that you find it reasonable to come at me in the way you did instead of actually asking me about what happened. Shall I bore you with the science behind the event? The lead up to it? Do you want to hear the story of what his children saw and what his death looked like? Will you believe me then if I paint a bigger 'sob story' for your benefit?

Or is my brother's story 'a lie' made up by some random user on a public forum in an effort to condemn the vaccine? Is that what you think is going on here?

Or... is he just another statistic, a random death you don't need to worry your pretty little head over?

I think you'd better see how your soul's doing, love. Because your empathy is rock bottom.

I remember being horrified by this poor Florida doctor who died 16 days after the Pfizer from a brain hemorrhage. His platelet count was zero days after receiving the jab.

Read that back in January and felt grateful that we had the option for the AZ.

www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/health/covid-vaccine-death.html

There are very sad stories no doubt, Vanguard for you personally I can see why you are worried.

Does anyone think about people still alive due to the vaccines?

@MaxHanno what an awful post. Describing someone's death as 'anecdotal'?? Have a word with yourself.

Bugger why the hyperbole? (Perhaps because I have a point?)
I didn't say deny care, I said factor in their care. No one advocated diode for anyone - that was your silly example.

If someone had got the jab and become ill anyway, or had been unable to get the jab for medical reasons I would expect them to be treated ahead of a vaccine refuser, if such choice had to be made.

In an ideal world we'd have a better funded health service that everyone could access - but in the absence of that certain priorities need to be made.

I have had my first dose but wish I had declined it. Still not feeling right after 4 weeks, periods messed up, fatigue etc. If you don’t want it don’t have it and if you do then great too. There is so much guilt placed on people who would rather wait and do a bit more research as it becomes available.

*suicide not diode, apologies

[quote KurtWilde]@MaxHanno what an awful post. Describing someone's death as 'anecdotal'?? Have a word with yourself. [/quote]
Nah....someone drops a couple of lines like that with no explanation. Exactly what people with a certain agenda would do..

@Biscoffontoast

Haven’t been invited yet (41) but when I am I will decline it. Husband (47) has had his invitation and already declined it.

Let's hope you don't end up in ICU struggling for breath....

@MaxHanno Vanguard has clarified events surrounding her brothers death, not that she should have to.

Your response to posts are awful. Jog on.

Stop scaremongering, @MaxHanno

The vast majority of people who get a covid infection will not end up in ICU “struggling for breath”

Does anyone think about people still alive due to the vaccines?

All the time! I mean, what's happened to my brother is terrible... as terrible as it gets. It is also terribly rare. My DH was in ICU with Covid this past January. He was seriously ill and it was a rough time.
He just recently had his first AZ jab (wanted to wait until he felt well enough). He's doing great. And there was a certain relief the other night in knowing that the nausea and the fever he felt the other evening was almost certainly not Covid-related. It was almost a luxury thinking about normal illnesses like a bog-standard stomach bug/flu.

I hate being afraid of the vaccine now. I was afraid of getting Covid (I haven't, that I know of, had it- it's assumed I've had it because I was in a household with it, but I had no symptoms. I'll never know.). I couldn't wait for my brother and I to get the jab. And then this blood clotting news came out (AZ) and that got my hackles up and now, well... it's going to be a task convincing me to feel safe enough to have it.
But like I said, my brother and I are rare birds. People don't have the problems we've had with our health and that changes a person's approach to lots of things. I hope I'm not coming across as someone who says, "Don't get the vaccine." Everyone I've known- apart from my poor, poor brother- has done very well, post-vaccination. You just have to make your own informed decision and hope it's the right one.

Ah yes, Max Hanno... NOW you're familiar! You're just a troll in MN clothing. Keep on walking folks. Don't feed the beast. This one's always up to no good.

Terracotta whilst that may be true, in a population without herd immunity or in perpetual lockdown, enough will to severely compromise healthcare to the point of collapse.
So should we remain in lockdown for years? Whilst everyone 'does their own research'? Or are some expecting the pro-vaccine choice of others to protect them?

@Clutterbugsmum

The people who are declining your vaccination will you change your mind if you need to have them to travel abroad for example if they decide you have to be vaccinated, Or will you have it because you want to go on holiday

No, I won't change my mind, ever, not even when the trial period is over in 2023. I'm someone who has travelled all my life, all over the world, and lived on many continents, but I will not by coerced or bribed into making unnecessary changed to my body to do so.

Mn is not real life. I’m a volunteer vaccinator and we aren’t seeing cancellations in appointments.

@sunshine7981

Interested to know if any of the people declining the vaccine have any scientific/medical training or education. I am a PhD biochemist and I jumped at the chance of a vaccine. All medications have side effects but these vaccines have been rigorously tested and the risks from Covid are much much greater.

No, I do not have any scientific or medical training. I am of the artistic/literary/creative persuasion.

I have also practiced Yoga for 50 years, which has given me an extremely trusting and actually very awed attitude towards my body and the miracle of how it works. I don't need to know science to understand that my immune system is an utterly magnificent thing, far wiser than any scientist who thinks s/he knows better how to trick the body in to combatting a virus. I've always had this absolute trust and balanced attitude towards my health, which is probably why I've stayed to healthy all of my life! (I'm 69.)

I also know that vitamin d deficiency is the common denominator in almost all covid 19 deaths and serious outcomes, and is a great prophylactic, so I've been helping my body along by taking 12000 international units a day of that vitamin (actually a hormone) and my levels are well in a safe area.

I've never had the flu and can't remember when last I had even a cold. Even when I was working in a hospital a few years ago, I was the only one of my colleagues to never take even a day off due to illness. They all seemed to be coming down with the sniffles every few weeks. I stayed healthy. Never had a flu jab.

I am not afraid of covid19. At first I was complying with all the over the top rules such as washing groceries, disinfecting door handles etc. I soon got over that.

I eat almost only organic food. I read labels on food packaging, and don't buy anything that has ingredients I don't recognise. This so-called vaccine has ingredients I can't even pronounce, so no thanks! I actually eat very few things out of a packet; certainly no fast food, nothing man-made. I love nature, and will stick with my own God-given health, thanks! Yes, I'm a bit of a health nut.

Congratulations on being a PhD biochemist. My son-in-law is a PhD microbiologist, and he is one of the ones who convinced me that the so-called vaccine is not a good idea. So you see, even among scientists, there is no consensus! :)

I don't really owe anyone here an explanation, but you asked, OP, and up to now I've not seen my specific reasons.

@Parker231

Mn is not real life. I’m a volunteer vaccinator and we aren’t seeing cancellations in appointments.

I’m really pleased to hear this.