Anybody been invited and declined the jab?

[Devlesko]

Beginning to think I did the right thing now.
Anybody else?

[quote Terracotta9]@MaxHanno What part of the comment is false?

Moderna and BioNTech both make reference to mRNA technologies being considered gene therapy by regulators in their SEC filings

The vaccines are all still in trial phases

They are unlicensed by the FDA but have been granted Emergency Use Authorisation in the USA. (However this is not the case in the EU or in the UK)

We have no long term safety data for any of the vaccines

People under 55 have a low risk of complications or death from covid.

Again, which part of that person’s comment is false?[/quote]
For a start, vaccines are approved ie licensed for use by the EMEA and MHRA (as you well know). It is safe and effective. Phase 1 to Phase 3 trials are carried out pre-approval (completed and were submitted). All medicines then have post-marketing trials (Phase 4). You are scare mongering.

@ConstantlyChanging

I had my first but have declined my second for now (AZ). We don’t know enough about these vaccines in my opinion. I don’t think our government is right and all the others are wrong.

You know better than the experts in Europe and UK medicines regulatory bodies then? Jesus .......

Where society has to shut down (and pay the attendant cost of such shut down)
then an individuals impact on that should be taken into account.
If the NHS was at risk of collapse due to smokers and the obese or dog owners or skiers or whatever - I would expect their contribution to be a factor in their assessment and treatment, yes.
If you aren't pitching in to get us out of this, why should you receive the same treatment as those that are?

I've had both my az jabs. Can't see why I wouldn't. There's yellow cards for everything, and most of them are fairly minor. Of course, if I you have one of the nasty ones, that's irrelevant, but I take 10 odd tablets a day, and could react badly to those too.

I feel a lot safer, and it's been nice to return to work. :)

@ConstantlyChanging - have you followed the numbers of cases and deaths and seen the huge decrease since the vaccine rollout. Have you compared the U.K. to countries who haven’t been completing so many vaccinations?
The scientists working on this vaccine have been amazing and their efforts are now saving lives.

@Parker231 This isn’t about whether vaccines are effective against the current dominant variant. It’s about whether they’re safe. When a vaccine is found to be linked to an unexpected and unexplained serious side effect that the scientists had no idea would happen or why it is happening, it’s reasonable to have doubts. When that same vaccine is banned in under 50s or 60s in basically every single other country, it’s reasonable to have doubts.

You know better than the experts in Europe and UK medicines regulatory bodies then? Jesus

You know better than the governments in every other country apart from the U.K. then? And trust that our proven liars in government are right and they’re all wrong? Jesus

I haven't been invited yet but the short term side effects don't concern me in the least. The vaccines we had to have to travel to certain countries were much worse than what people are reporting for this, and we did that because we wanted to travel!

How can the vaccine be so great if we still have to wear masks, SD, eat outside and follow arrows on the floor?

Even in the SEC filings, it’s acknowledged that the covid RNA vaccines do not permanently modify DNA (or modify it at all).

Whilst they may technically be classified as falling in the gene therapy category under it’s broadest definition at the current time, they are widely accepted not be as there is no DNA modification, temporary or otherwise.

RNA vaccines are fundamentally different to the actual drugs we call gene therapies and I expect we’ll see a revision of the classification in light of this in the near future.

@MaxHanno

The commenter was correct that the covid vaccines are unlicensed in the USA, and are being administered under “Emergency Use Authorisation” only. This does not apply in the UK or EU - just to the USA. But its hardly scaremongering to point out that fact.

And what about all the other points which you said are “fake news” and false?

If the NHS was at risk of collapse due to smokers and the obese or dog owners or skiers or whatever - I would expect their contribution to be a factor in their assessment and treatment, yes.
If you aren't pitching in to get us out of this, why should you receive the same treatment as those that are?

Oh that’s quite chilling to be honest.

What about people who don’t work and pay national insurance. Should they also be refused treatment.

The NHS has been in a total mess for decades. A large number of people who use it have a self inflicted reason to be there. It’s despicable to contemplate that any treatment would be based on a moral judgment about how much they deserve it.

Even in the SEC filings, it’s acknowledged that the covid RNA vaccines do not permanently modify DNA (or modify it at all).

So?

No one here has claimed that the mRNA vaccines alter DNA.

RNA vaccines are fundamentally different to the actual drugs we call gene therapies and I expect we’ll see a revision of the classification in light of this in the near future.

Cool. But for now, the regulators still classify them as gene therapy, so that’s what we’ll call them until this reclassification occurs.

@TheVanguardSix

I've had a few invites. I have declined. My brother haemorrhaged to death after the Moderna jab. They could not save him.

So sorry to hear this.

I've declined.

TheVanguardSix I'm so sorry for your loss!

@tonystarksrighthand

How can the vaccine be so great if we still have to wear masks, SD, eat outside and follow arrows on the floor?

Because the number of people jabbed still isn't high enough yet. If you look at Israel though, it's extremely encouraging. They are mostly back to normal and rates/deaths are still low.

I have chosen not to have it as I said above but if people want it have it. If you don't, don't. One reason the UK has high vaccination rates is because it is entirely voluntary.

I am not against the NHS although I have had 7 minutes of doctor time in the last 15 years and it is just about never there for use as a family when it is needed sadly so I have to pay through the nose plus pay heaps of taxes. Indeed in my area, covid central, last year at one point you could not really even get an ambulance unless you were almost dead from covid - if you could say 5 words you were refused, if only 3 you got one.

I would certainly not be against a rethink whereby you can opt out if you choose. I don't think as a nation we have reached the point that the obese and smokers and drinkers will be denied care but things like obesity and diabetes do use a huge amount of NHS resources.

Just to correct one thing above I think the UK vaccine has not got full normal approval yet which is not a problem in my view as we had to rush it out so we could start to get our human rights back. It has a temporary authorisation www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19/conditions-of-authorisation-for-pfizerbiontech-covid-19-vaccine

Israel recently stopped using masks, for instance.

Haven’t been invited yet (41) but when I am I will decline it. Husband (47) has had his invitation and already declined it.

Got my 2nd dose within 4 weeks anyone else?

No side effects whatsoever from both shots.

Am I in the minority here?

@JesusInTheCabbageVan this is encouraging. Thank you

@tonystarksrighthand

How can the vaccine be so great if we still have to wear masks, SD, eat outside and follow arrows on the floor?

Because we are not at a point where enough people have been vaccinated to have herd immunity yet.

The last thing anyone wants is to be forced into another national lockdown because of exponentially growing cases, which is why restrictions are being eased gradually while monitoring numbers.

Because the number of people jabbed still isn't high enough yet. If you look at Israel though, it's extremely encouraging. They are mostly back to normal and rates/deaths are still low.

Yes it’s tricky atm although numbers are very low we’re before feeling full effects of so many vaccinated