Justin Trudeau, Canadian PM, lying about the UK's "third wave"

[Umbivalent]

God, politicians are all as bad as each other, aren't they? Trudeau's coming under a lot of pressure because of Canada's slow vaccine rollout. So what does he do? Stand up in Parliament and lie about the apparently "very serious third wave" that we are apparently suffering

And I thought he was supposed to be one of the good ones!

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/trudeau-covid-third-wave-vaccine-b1832003.html

@bunsygirl Yes and the UK has had one of the worst rates of excess deaths in the younger population (under 65’s) last year as evidenced in this article by the BMJ:

www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n799

Unfortunately, other countries without as fast a vaccine programme are likely to have more excess deaths directly as a result of Covid this year.

I still don’t see a problem with what he said - he said the UK vaccine rollout is one of the best in the world but we are still living with strong restrictions and the UK (like every other country in the world - even those with little Covid presently) face serious subsequent waves of Covid. All true not lies.

[quote mamakoukla]@Andylion glad to hear you’re vaccinated. I live in Ontario and am following the announcement for the next set of restrictions.[/quote]
Thanks. It's a bit of a relief. 🙂

Justin Trudeau was spot on wasn't he?

Well not really considering it was 6 weeks ago and he wasnt in anyway talking about the Delta variant - which by the way is also starting to effect Canada.

Justin Trudeau was spot on wasn't he?

No he wasn't.

This is a thread from 6 weeks ago.

@PrincessNutNuts

@PrincessNutNuts

Justin Trudeau was spot on wasn't he?

No he wasn't. We are not "facing a very serious third wave". We all knew that there would be a small rise in cases as restrictions eased. More a ripple than a wave. Our hospitalisations are now the lowest they've been since late August last year and showing little to no sign of increasing. Of the countries who report data on hospitalisations, the UK is fourth lowest behind Iceland, Israel and Norway after adjusting for population. France has more than ten times the number of people in hospital. ourworldindata.org/grapher/current-covid-hospitalizations-per-million?tab=map®ion=World

Oh yes we are, @DdraigGoch!

An analysis of 38,805 sequenced cases in England revealed that the Delta variant was associated with a 2.61 fold higher risk of hospitalisation within 14 days of specimen date compared with the Alpha variant. There was a 1.67 times higher risk of A&E care within 14 days. These figures take into account factors such as age, sex, ethnicity, area of residence and vaccination status .

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/03/india-covid-variant-may-increase-risk-of-hospital-admission-early-data-suggests

[quote NannyAndJohn]Oh yes we are, @DdraigGoch!

An analysis of 38,805 sequenced cases in England revealed that the Delta variant was associated with a 2.61 fold higher risk of hospitalisation within 14 days of specimen date compared with the Alpha variant. There was a 1.67 times higher risk of A&E care within 14 days. These figures take into account factors such as age, sex, ethnicity, area of residence and vaccination status .

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/03/india-covid-variant-may-increase-risk-of-hospital-admission-early-data-suggests[/quote]
2.61 times next to nothing is still next to nothing. If critical care admissions here in Wales multiplied by 1.67, we'd have 1.67 people in critical care. I'm not going to demand we go over to martial law for the sake of an extra two thirds of a single person. You can panic if you like though.

It's not "next to nothing" when we have cases rising exponentially.

@Umbivalent

Justin Trudeau stated that the UK is currently suffering a very serious third wave, despite our vaccination programme. Are we?

Wow why lie. Surely the Canadians won't believe him

It’s immaterial what the growth is now, at the time he stated it was untrue.

Come on @ChardonnaysPetDragon, you know the drill. All Nutty and Nanny want to talk about is how awful it is, how there will be variants forever, how Boris is just the worst man on the planet, how we're all going to be locked up forever and ever and ever.

It's really boring. Just don't engage.

Indeed, why let fact stand in the way of a good whinge.

Or in the way that the Delta variant is in Canada, US, Europe this isnt just us facing this in any way at all

“More contagious and dangerous variants are spreading and threatening the progress we’ve made,” Mr Trudeau told a briefing on Tuesday.*

• “We know for example that the UK is ahead of just about everybody else on vaccinations and yet they maintain very strong restrictions and are facing a very serious third wave,” Mr Trudeau told the Canadian House of Commons. “Vaccinations on their own are not enough to keep us safe.”*

Which part isn't true?

"...and are facing a very serious third wave,”
That bit for a start.

@PrincessNutNuts

Justin Trudeau was spot on wasn't he?

Bloody hell @PrincessNutNuts No one had posted on this thread for weeks. You've obviously gone searching through all CV threads to desperately try and resurrect one that allowed you to continue your one-woman crusade to persuade us we're in eternal damnation.

What sort of a person DOES that?! Rhetorical question btw.

@NannyAndJohn

It's not "next to nothing" when we have cases rising exponentially.

Do you have difficulty with reading comprehension? I said that critical care admissions are currently next to nothing. There are currently 129 patients on mechanical ventilators in the UK. At the height of the second wave that number was 4,077. 3% is next to nothing in my book.

High case rates are confined to a handful of areas, predominantly in the North West of England (Bedford being a notable exception). Bolton made the news and yet case rates there are dropping dramatically despite no further lockdown measures, instead surge testing and taking action to increase the coverage of vaccines. Likewise Sefton's case rates fell quickly following surge testing.

JT made that article to justify why Canada had such a slow roll out of the vaccine and his justification was that the UK was having a third wave despite an excellent vaccine roll out.

Given that actually it is agreed on all sides (I am right PrincessNutNuts that you do concede the way out is to get to a certain percentage and NannyandJohn I have seen you say 85% need to be double vaccinated) that vaccination is the way out if it and that the only real positive news is that the vaccines do prevent serious disease he is actually as wrong as you can be.

I was on hold for ages so I caught up with some of the threads I'm on that still had unread posts.

I don't post much, so it wasn't very far down.

And he was right.

@titchy

@DdraigGoch

"...and are facing a very serious third wave,” That bit for a start.

Lockdown restrictions were holding it back.

Then April 17th happened...

Didn’t the U.K. already have a third wave? After Christmas 2020? Which resulted in school closures etc.

@workwoes123

Didn’t the U.K. already have a third wave? After Christmas 2020? Which resulted in school closures etc.

That was still the Second Wave. Held back by the November lockdown.