Justin Trudeau, Canadian PM, lying about the UK's "third wave"

[Umbivalent]

God, politicians are all as bad as each other, aren't they? Trudeau's coming under a lot of pressure because of Canada's slow vaccine rollout. So what does he do? Stand up in Parliament and lie about the apparently "very serious third wave" that we are apparently suffering

And I thought he was supposed to be one of the good ones!

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/trudeau-covid-third-wave-vaccine-b1832003.html

After 10 years as an immigrant I take everything I read about other countries with a massive pinch of salt unless the person talking actually lives there (or at least has lived there long term). People constantly bullshit about countries they don't live in, journalists and politicians alike.

Yeah, going by what's on reddit, people in Australia seem to think the rest of the world is a covid wasteland, particularly the US. Meanwhile I'm here in the US pretty much living life as normal. It really hasn't been that bad where I am, besides the shut downs which devastated the local economy.

*. "We know for example that the UK is ahead of just about everybody else on vaccinations and yet they maintain very strong restrictions and are facing a very serious third wave,” Mr Trudeau told the Canadian House of Commons.
“Vaccinations on their own are not enough to keep us safe.” *

Which part isn't true?

We are facing a very serious third wave.

It's being held in check with lockdown restrictions.

Vaccinations on their own are not enough to keep us safe.

So far, so factual.

Do you never find it weird in uk we seldom ever hear much about Canada its like it doesn't exist.
Maybe American media covers more Canadian news.
Maybe Canada don't hear much about UK .
But its been made very public in world wide media how badly uk was hit by covid in 1st and 2nd wave but also how well our vaccination programme has been doing.
So its hard to believe as world leader him or close aide feel this is true and tell parliament about it like its fact.
Even more worrying is how crap are Canadian media.
Uk media can be idiots but they don't seem to miss a trick about what's going on in other countries in relation to covid and vaccination schedules.
Our media holds politicians to account.
Be interesting if he says public statement saying he was confused and mistaken.
I don't really know what uk Canada relations are but they part if commonwealth.
I don't see how this plays to Canadian electorate why do they give a monkeys about UK anyway I don't think they dislike British people that in aware of .

Its possible uk may get smaller 3rd wave if varients get let in.
However deaths and hospitalisation we hope look very different if we have gerd immunity and n
Majority adults vaccinate.
Its true the UK been shit in the past
Some countries seem to love saying well we not as bad as the UK they the worst.
Also this British variemt like we the cause of all Europe's troubles.
That we deliberately not sending vaccines.
I mean I get political deflection but don't get how thats going help Canada with thier mixed and slow vaccination programme.
Canada is responsible for that nothing to do with UK.

Its ironic since brexit many people say UK is an unimportant little island and Europeans don't care.
Yet so many world leaders want to diss UK in the election year.

I guess he is kept informed of our government's opinion.

It's being held in check with lockdown restrictions.

Well then it’s not a third wave, is it?

Vaccinations on their own are not enough to keep us safe.

And you know this, how?

@TheKeatingFive

It's being held in check with lockdown restrictions.

Well then it’s not a third wave, is it?

Vaccinations on their own are not enough to keep us safe.

And you know this, how?

1. I have no idea what you mean by that.

1. Maths.

*Which part isn't true?

We are facing a very serious third wave*

No, we're not. If we were, we wouldn't be following the roadmap out of restrictions.

Bizarre comment for him to make when it's so easily fact checked. How long until he's forced to backtrack?

I don't like Trudeau. I want him to be wrong and hopefully the situation developing in London is just a blip, but we do need to remember the majority in the UK are only partially vaccinated.

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-coronavirus-latest-covid-live-london-surge-testing-b929733.html?amp

If only we'd restricted the borders temporarily and had real quarantine. Just until we'd moved that little bit further forward with our very good vaccine rollout. We were doing so well for a change.

1. I have no idea what you mean by that.

2. Maths.

Well that was ... unhelpful 😂

@Umbivalent

*Which part isn't true?

We are facing a very serious third wave*

No, we're not. If we were, we wouldn't be following the roadmap out of restrictions.

We kinda were last August too...

How did that work out for us?

From the article above.
Lockdown restrictions ‘could return in London’ as surge testing gathers pace

The article below will show why this has happened. Imagine how much international travel is going on for there to be 6 hour queues. That's a lot of people. All crowded together and then travelling from the airport on public transport...

www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/heathrow-travellers-london-mps-england-b929667.html

He’s an idiot. Will say whatever sounds good to him at the time. I live in Canada so unfortunately come across the sanctimonious twerp in the news more often than I’d like.

Tbf-Boris said it himself just the other week.
It’s semantics- we are facing means it could happen, not that we’re in it.
And we’re only 4 days out of very strict restrictions

He’s just advising caution, I couldn’t get worked up about this.
I could get worked up about every news outlet picking up on it and making it into something it’s not.

@TheKeatingFive

1. I have no idea what you mean by that.

2. Maths.

Well that was ... unhelpful 😂

I'll have another go.

If we lifted all restrictions right now, we'd quickly see a return to January levels of cases, hospitalisations and deaths.

The reason we're not seeing that. Is lockdown. The third wave is here, we're just holding it back.

(It's not "washing up on our shores". We exported it to the world.)

100% of the population isn't vaccinated

The vaccines don't work to the advertised efficacy in everyone.

That efficacy isn't 100% anyway.

And it definitely isn't 100% against all the variants.

All those not 100%s multiply to create a sizeable reservoir of susceptible people for the virus to infect.

I'm very sorry to keep posting this fucker but there's the third wave lockdown is holding back.

Trudeau knows it, Johnson knows it. It's just a case of how much death and hospitalisation the government will allow to happen before enough of us catch on.

What maths exactly is that then? I have a maths degree so I'd quite like to know, it sounds interesting.

@ForThePurposeOfTheTape

Bizarre comment for him to make when it's so easily fact checked. How long until he's forced to backtrack?

Well since he didn't say anything that our own Prime Minister hadn't said himself...

@MaxNormal

What maths exactly is that then? I have a maths degree so I'd quite like to know, it sounds interesting.

It's not.

It's just absolute basic common sense - the first and most obvious maths question being what % of the U.K. population is fully vaccinated?

And is that % enough to keep us safe without lockdown?

It's not, so hence Trudeau's statement that vaccines are not enough to keep us safe in their own.

I do find it quite concerning that so many of us really do believe that come June 21st that's it, covid's gone. It really won't be. I agree we are 'facing' a serious third wave. Not enough of us will be vaccinated to hold this off with restrictions being lifted. The vaccines themselves are not the holy grail.

@PrincessNutNuts - you are completely incorrect. We would not see hospitalisation & death akin to January because the 90% of people who died were above 80. The remaining 80 year olds are now double vaccinated. Plus vaccines stop spread after one dose by around 50% so far.

Absolutely baffling when people think the vaccines do nothing at all..

Death is a fact of life. We have to accept it. This is a virus that will kill some people, just like flu which I hate to roll out in comparison. Where you this angry about 15,000 flu deaths annually in the U.K.? Or did you just go about life not worrying about it..

i don't know any Canadian's who listen or believe anything he says so please don't let him ruin your day. as a rule of thumb if he's stuttering he's lying.
on a more pleasant note, one of our mp's was "seen" buck naked during a hybrid parliament session.
the member's member was covered by a cell phone...

[quote HolmeH]@PrincessNutNuts - you are completely incorrect. We would not see hospitalisation & death akin to January because the 90% of people who died were above 80. The remaining 80 year olds are now double vaccinated. Plus vaccines stop spread after one dose by around 50% so far.

Absolutely baffling when people think the vaccines do nothing at all..

Death is a fact of life. We have to accept it. This is a virus that will kill some people, just like flu which I hate to roll out in comparison. Where you this angry about 15,000 flu deaths annually in the U.K.? Or did you just go about life not worrying about it..[/quote]
The big blue sections under hospital admissions and deaths are people who are fully vaccinated.

The big red bits are unvaccinated.

www.cbc.ca/news/politics/william-amos-liberal-mp-naked-parliament-1.5988128

@bakewelltarty

I do find it quite concerning that so many of us really do believe that come June 21st that's it, covid's gone. It really won't be. I agree we are 'facing' a serious third wave. Not enough of us will be vaccinated to hold this off with restrictions being lifted. The vaccines themselves are not the holy grail.

I also do not live in the reality where the virus has gone away now that 12.2% of the U.K. population is fully vaccinated, and 48.4% have had a first dose.