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Justin Trudeau, Canadian PM, lying about the UK's "third wave"

155 replies

Umbivalent · 15/04/2021 16:33

God, politicians are all as bad as each other, aren't they? Trudeau's coming under a lot of pressure because of Canada's slow vaccine rollout. So what does he do? Stand up in Parliament and lie about the apparently "very serious third wave" that we are apparently suffering Hmm

And I thought he was supposed to be one of the good ones!

www.independent.co.uk/news/health/trudeau-covid-third-wave-vaccine-b1832003.html

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MaxNormal · 15/04/2021 22:30

jasjas1973 okay we should all just be wailing behind our sofas in eternal despair.

Tealightsandd · 15/04/2021 22:33

@MaxNormal

jasjas1973 okay we should all just be wailing behind our sofas in eternal despair.
No. We finish our very good vaccine rollout so that the majority are fully vaccinated, and we (temporarily) restrict our borders with real quarantine until we do.
PrincessNutNuts · 15/04/2021 22:41

@MaxNormal

BUT, we are facing a new epidemic with new strains - possibly

What I find quite reassuring is that all the mutations have been quite similar so far. If that continues I do think we'll be okay.

Because being more deadly, more transmissible and able to escape immunity's not going to cause anyone any trouble?

Especially the Indian variant B.1.617, with its mutation capable of immune escape, dodging antibodies (and T cells) generated by infection or vaccine.

Which is driving the Indian situation at the moment.

And is here already.

(Because our PM won't put them on the Red List because he wants to go there.)

MaxNormal · 15/04/2021 22:41

I'm not sure an equation is needed to express that if the vaccines don't have 100% coverage or 100% effectiveness then they can't possibly be 100% of the solution.

We don't need 100% though. We just need good enough ie a not overwhelmed healthcare service.

BunsyGirl · 15/04/2021 22:44

@VaVaGloom There are two issues here: (1) what the OP originally said and (2) whether Trudeau was telling the “truth”. Regarding the first, in your first post you did not acknowledge that the OP had already accepted she had made a mistake. Regarding the second, I would say that Trudeau embellished the “truth” rather than lied. There is no evidence that we are facing an imminent second wave. In fact, an article shared above suggests that a third wave would come in late summer or autumn if we proceed to stage 4 loosening of restrictions.
Johnson talked about the third wave washing up on our shores. He did not say we are facing a very serious third wave.

TwinnyMummy321 · 15/04/2021 22:46

I thought Canada were catching up on the vaccine front? My 52 year old MIL has just been vaccinated in Canada, no underlying conditions. I was surprised to hear that she'd had hers, as a couple of weeks ago she thought she would be waiting months yet.

MaxNormal · 15/04/2021 22:46

No. We finish our very good vaccine rollout so that the majority are fully vaccinated, and we (temporarily) restrict our borders with real quarantine until we do.

But you're all insisting the vaccines won't work on the variants. Those borders will be closed for a long time.

savethegrannies · 15/04/2021 23:14

Not to split hairs but he said “very serious” third wave.
Our PM just said a third wave will wash up on our shores.
A very serious third wave is surely worse than just ... a third wave 🤔

DdraigGoch · 16/04/2021 00:05

Which part isn't true?
Well @PrincessNutNuts, let's have a look.

We know for example that the UK is ahead of just about everybody else on vaccinations
True

and yet they maintain very strong restrictions
We can shop for tat, we can drink, we can go to a cottage in the Lake District and our kids can go to school. All a long way from needing a permit to leave the house.

and are facing a very serious third wave,
Cases and deaths are the lowest in Europe (bar possibly Iceland). There is no sign yet of an uptick. Any "third wave" in the UK would be more of a ripple, certainly not anything which could be described as "very serious" in the context of everything Europe has been through.

“Vaccinations on their own are not enough to keep us safe
True, vaccines can suppress cases and improve outcomes but if things are out of control, they won't help.

mamakoukla · 16/04/2021 00:17

@TwinnyMummy321 it may depend on where she is in the province and which province. I’d be happy to be vaccinated by June... Moderna delayed another shipment again.... so many delays, it gets difficult to plan. A number of vaccination clinics in Toronto are shuttered as they have no more supplies to deliver, others are open. It depends also on which Public Health Unit as different ones approach this differently. Our local one holds back 2-3 days worth of doses as a buffer in event of delays in deliveries. This is to try to keep a smooth delivery, no appointment rebooking. Fills my heart with joy when I hear another person is vaccinated

Tealightsandd · 16/04/2021 01:12

@MaxNormal

No. We finish our very good vaccine rollout so that the majority are fully vaccinated, and we (temporarily) restrict our borders with real quarantine until we do.

But you're all insisting the vaccines won't work on the variants. Those borders will be closed for a long time.

I haven't said that. I remain hopeful that the scientists are right. They seem to think the vaccines will still prevent serious hospitalision and death, even with the current variants.
Tealightsandd · 16/04/2021 01:19

They can also tweak the current vaccines. It might mean a slight delay but we're talking months rather than years. They're working on it everyday.

Temporary closed borders is far preferable to the alternative. Ongoing restrictions domestically, 150,000 deaths and counting, 1 million long covid so far with more to come, ruined businesses.

We're all going to have to reduce our international travel in the future because of climate change. Perhaps temporary restricted borders now might help people get used to that change in lifestyle.

Tallybo · 16/04/2021 01:20

He is wrong as he said the UK was facing a 'serious' third wave, of which there is no evidence for. Boris said a third wave was likely, and one scientific advisor has said it would be safer to wait until everyone was vaccinated (duh), but there is no indication that it will be serious and even if it will happen; its speculation at best mixed with continuation of the fear mongering. His language was incorrect, and purposefully so to try and justify his failings. Not cool.

NRCS · 16/04/2021 01:25

Where have 1800 babies died of covid?

Rainbows89 · 16/04/2021 01:44

I’m in Canada and have had my first vaccination.

But, our numbers are pretty bad and we are currently under a ‘stay at home’ order.

MrsFin · 16/04/2021 02:01

@ConstantlyChanging

Boris Johnson himself literally said that the third wave would ‘wash up on our shores within weeks’.

Boris Johnson also said that the reduction in Covid numbers was Misty due to lockdown and not to vaccinations. He said it in the news tonight.
A third wave is likely if we ask start hugging and kissing again

Tallybo · 16/04/2021 02:05

Boris Johnson also said that the reduction in Covid numbers was Misty due to lockdown and not to vaccinations. He said it in the news tonight. A third wave is likely if we ask start hugging and kissing again

Well yes numbers would rise as not everyone has been vaccinated. The critical point though is that those at most risk of hospitalisation and serious illness have been offered a vaccine, and so a rise in case numbers doesn't necessarily translate to a steep rise in hospitalizations.

LadyWithLapdog · 16/04/2021 02:28

edition.cnn.com/2021/04/15/americas/chile-coronavirus-vaccination-cases-intl/index.html Chile has the third highest % of vaccinated people and their Xmas wave isn’t reducing. It looks like vaccines are not enough.

Blacktothepink · 16/04/2021 02:35

Shock, horror, politician lies...Boris is far worse, at least Trudue looks like he’s got his shit together, unlike our disgraceful Bellend 🤨

WhatssUpP · 16/04/2021 02:36

Aren't we just coming out the third wave anyway? What we suffered during December until just recently, Europe is suffering that now which is our December suffering.

MrsTerryPratchett · 16/04/2021 02:42

I got racially abused in Aldi today because everyone in my area knows I’m Canadian.

Who's a what now? Some areas of the UK are taking their xenophobia very seriously. Also, Canadian is not a race.

Mrstwiddle · 16/04/2021 02:50

Erm, Trudeau definitely has not got it together. In my part of BC, people in their 60s still have not been vaccinated and cases are rising. They did open up restaurants etc but now have had to stop indoor dining again. I work in a college and we may be back in class in September but it’s certainly not 100%.

Compared to Canada, the UK has done a brilliant job.

Marguerite2000 · 16/04/2021 06:33

@LadyWithLapdog

edition.cnn.com/2021/04/15/americas/chile-coronavirus-vaccination-cases-intl/index.html Chile has the third highest % of vaccinated people and their Xmas wave isn’t reducing. It looks like vaccines are not enough.
That particular vaccine isn't enough. Chile are using Sinovac as one of their two main vaccines and the efgicacy isn't high enough at 50%. Israel are having more success at opening up.
Tallybo · 16/04/2021 06:49

@LadyWithLapdog

edition.cnn.com/2021/04/15/americas/chile-coronavirus-vaccination-cases-intl/index.html Chile has the third highest % of vaccinated people and their Xmas wave isn’t reducing. It looks like vaccines are not enough.
Because they used an ineffective vaccine.
hodgebit · 16/04/2021 07:06

He may have been lying. Alternatively he could simply have been mistaken.

Not everything people say that isn't true is a deliberate lie. My instincts are that is that he was just mistaken, probably after being briefed that there was a third wave rampaging across Europe, which is true, and he simply assumed to include the U.K.... I believe that's a far more plausible explanation based on what he said.