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Needle phobia, vaccination and unsympathetic family

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Notimmaturejustscared · 13/04/2021 17:56

Please help me. I am extremely needle-phobic and, as you might expect, am finding the current vaccination programme very challenging. I am determined to have the vaccine. My phobia has, in the past, stopped me from doing all sorts of things – travelling and even seeking medical treatment at times. I spent most of 2020 in a state of constant anxiety knowing that having an injection would be my only way out of the pandemic and trying to find legitimate ways of avoiding the needle. I’ve eventually come to the conclusion though that regaining freedom is the line I thought I’d never find – for the first time in my life, I want to be vaccinated, even if the actual process still scares me to death.

I wish I wasn’t like this. I wish I could turn off that bit of my brain which goes into fight or flight mode and unfortunately with me it is always one of those. I have run hysterically from a GP Office, blindly shoving people out of the way and not even aware of what I was doing until I was “safely” outside. If not taking flight, I struggle and scream. I sometimes vomit. I wish I could be a demure fainter. I know it’s irrational but I also know I can’t control it. I had CBT a few years ago which was focused on dental treatment but included injections in general. I can now, with a lot of support and a practice specialising in phobia, cope with dental treatment but the CBT didn’t touch my more general needle phobia. The programme was supposed to culminate with me giving blood but I got into such a state upon entering the building, hyperventilating and struggling to get away that I was told “we don’t need your blood that much, the risk to your own health is too great”. I’m been revisiting all my CBT learning though for the last few months, trying to change my thinking so that I can cope with this vaccination. I’m going with faking it until I make it and have just about convinced myself that I am really looking forward to the vaccination, talking about how much I want it, forcing myself to desensitise by looking at images and watching tv coverage that I would normally switch over. I have rehearsed a short spiel to give as soon as I enter the centre, explaining that I’m very nervous and likely to cry and panic. I was almost there until…

My sister has started volunteering at the local vaccination centre. My sister is one of those no-nonsense types and has been telling me with disapproval and mocking attitude about grown men and women who come in all nervous about this tiny needle. She doesn’t know the extent of my phobia. She remembers how I was in childhood and how badly I reacted to injections at school but assumes I’ve grown up and gotten over all of that nonsense. She’s loved all things medical for as long as I can remember and has some real gallows-type humour about medical procedures as well as a bit of a gladiatorial attitude about how much she can undergo without making a fuss. Her DD was very ill in childhood (thankfully ok now) and this has given her an attitude of “I can’t believe a grown adult would make such a fuss when my DD had to go through much worse procedures with barely a whimper”. Having come so close to feeling I can go through with this, I’m now beside myself with fear about my sister seeing me in this kind of state. It’s not just DSis though, my parents also used to compare my fear to her stoicism and made clear they hated my weakness. I’ve not had any reason to discuss injections with my parents in over 25 years but they did recently ask if I was going to get the vaccine or if I was still “stupid about these things”. I acted really breezy, saying that childhood was a long time ago and of course I would get it. Of course if my sister sees me freaking out, she’ll tell our parents and my family will mock me/be disappointed forever more.

We’re in Scotland so my understanding is that the vaccination appointment is basically a summons, rather than elsewhere in the UK where it is an invitation to book a slot. If that were the case I could book on the days I know she doesn’t volunteer (she does 5 days) but as it is, I won’t have a choice. Recently she was laughing about how a friend of hers came in so she told the vaccinator to “stab this one hard” and how she’ll say similar if she is working when I come in. This is hilarious to her but it has put me in a state of blind panic. I actually threw up after that phone call. Aside from DSis seeing me in my phobic state and possibly adding to it, I’m also concerned about any medical confidentiality. I know that she sometimes does the checking-in side of things and sometimes does queue control and I’m worried about what the checking-in involves. If she is checking me in will she see my medical records at any point? There’s stuff I really don’t want her to know in there. I’m also on some mediation at the moment which I don’t want her to know about – would I have to divulge this?

Please can someone talk me down and help me find some coping tips.

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Bambooshoot · 14/05/2021 14:28

Oh my goodness, that sounds so hard for you - my other half is needle phobic as well, and you have opened my eyes to the struggles he might be going through, so thank you for that. I can't even think how much more pressure you might feel, if you fear criticism from a family member on top. You are so much stronger than you think you are, since you are clearly going to go and get this done, in spite of all that, in your own time. (Yes, I believe in you!).

I just wanted to say I have had both jabs (and I'm not a huge fan of injections myself) but these were the most minor I have ever had - to the extent I was wondering for the second one if they'd really done it or just run out of vaccine! (they hadn't). Really didn't hurt at all, but I'm not sure that is your issue. I was super nervous for the first one but kept telling myself it was short term pain for a life of liberty (and then felt daft when it didn't hurt) - I had a wristband ready to put on for the second one, which says "Vaccinated" which I was focussing on, to be proud of what I had done, to take care of myself and the community - maybe you could have something meaningful for you that you could think about or have with you to hold, to distract you from the panicking thoughts while you are waiting? Apologies if this is way off mark.

Spoonboy · 14/05/2021 21:10

OP, you have GOT THIS. You are doing so well just steeling yourself to go there and do it. Your prep is great, you've thought of everything. Now try very hard to keep very busy between now and Sunday, and you'll do fine. Smile

I am a recovering phobe and though I can't honestly say I'm properly phobic any more (I think my phobia started to recede when I was pregnant) I still got pretty apprehensive before my first dose. Things that helped: having a very sweet boiled sweet to suck at on my short walk to the hospital from the car park (you can tell yourself that studies showed that vaccination pain in children was minimised if they had something sweet in their mouth! at any rate, it's a placebo); an interesting and reassuring 'pocket fiddle' to hold (I usually have odd stones or things in my coat pockets and I surreptitiously brought one in my hand and focussed on it); telling the GP how nervous I was the first time (she knew anyway and was very nice about it); sitting down; telling myself I was going to treat myself afterwards (nice takeaway coffee and some chocolate at home); timing the walk there so I wouldn't have to hang around (this is the worst thing IMO).

The first time, yes I was nervous but honestly it was a non-event! My GP grabbed my shoulders afterwards and asked me to remember this 'was that it?' feeling for next time. Grin

The second time I was much more relaxed, chatted to the GP, sat down and again, non-event. Honestly it felt like someone prodded me with a finger. The flu jab I had when pregnant 10 years ago was similar (and god, was I anxious about that!!) so maybe they are just a hell of a lot better now than when I was a panicked kid.

Oh, and after my second one, I ordered a really nice thing from Seasalt (middle-aged alert!! Grin ) I'd had my eye on. Wink It does help. Imagine how amazing you're going to feel, taking yourself through this and out the other side. You really CAN do this, OP. Let us know how it went.

PerveenMistry · 15/05/2021 02:00

Glad for you that you are being so brave.

Honestly after it's over I think you will marvel at what a total non event it was.

About five years ago i was forced to start getting the flu shot as a requirement of employment. I'm in my 50s and was near tears. The poor nurse tried to hold my hand AND administer the vaccine simultaneously.

I was expecting some torture, and dumbfounded at the mere tiny pick. The Covid vaccine was even less intrusive. As in, "that was it???"

Good luck!

InTropicalTrumpsLand · 15/05/2021 02:30

You've got this, OP!

Yesterday DF finally had his first dose (he's in his early 60's, but we're in a third world country). He's also severely needle phobic. I took him to the centre, as he was in no state to drive. He was lucky enough to get AstraZeneca instead of Coronavac, too.
It went extremely quickly. The tiniest needle I've ever seen (I'm a weirdo who likes seeing the needle coming into my arm, so I've seen plenty) and so, so fast. When it was done, he went "Uh?" The kind nurse replied: "That's it, you're free to go." He didn't feel a thing, and I mean it. When he does feel the needle, he screams.
The soreness came today, but that's the vaccine and not the needle. Just in case, if you're left handed I would ask for you to be vaccinated in your right arm, so you can move your dominant hand without any aches.
Feel free to send a PM if you just need to talk to someone who gets it - I'm not needle phobic but I have a vomit phobia and understand how awful it can be.

BruceAndNosh · 15/05/2021 02:38

Something else for your bag - a bottle of water and some hand sanitizer.
Hopefully they'll take you straight in as soon as you are able to tell somone about your phobia. Honestly, to aid the smooth running of the centre, we don't want severely phobic people hanging around waiting getting more and more wound up. It's in the interests of everyone to get you seen, reassured and DONE as quickly as possible.
Most centres have a more private area for people like you who really need it.

Medical details and privacy - I've done Reception and all we want is your name. All other necessary details should already be on the form pre filled in by GP practice.
I've also done transferring details from form filled in by vaccinator into the computer. Again, it's very limited. Name, address, DOB, NHS number. Details of vaccine given and batch number. The only medication they are interested in is anticoagulants and similar.
The only "medical history" I can see is flu and covid jabs.

HoppingPavlova · 15/05/2021 02:52

Just take a benzo. It will be much easier than the faff you are going through.

Howzaboutye · 15/05/2021 03:17

Oh my word. I have just read your journey. And I am so impressed at your bravery and strength.

And so utterly disappointed and cross with your mean sister parents and DH. I can only assume your family have some stuff to unpick there as they are just so awful. But your DH- I'm so cross at him for not listening to you. This is real for you. At the beginning of the thread.i thought well clearly the vaccine isn't for you. But no, you are working through it all. I'm so so impressed. This shows huge mental toughness.

Another offer to chat or text on Sunday just before, to help you. Your cue cards sound fantastic. Sounds like you need to ditch the DH at the door and just mind yourself, with the caring and lovely volunteers.

Something noone has mentioned is deep breathing/ calm breathing. Try and practice this today.

If you can I would even show your DH this thread. He needs educating on how this is a real thing, how difficult it is and how you need support not distain.

I am cheering you on OP! You've got this.

Howzaboutye · 15/05/2021 03:17

Sorry no paragraphs as am on the app

WiseUpJanetWeiss · 15/05/2021 08:21

Hi OP. Just stumbled across your thread and am impressed how you’re dealing with this.

I used to have a dental phobia. I need to change dentist and I’m worried it will reappear as I’m also generally medical phobic (bizarrely - I have worked in hospitals all my working life...) but fairly mildly. I’m fine with vaccines though, but can empathise.

I doubt your problem is anything to size of the needle, but they genuinely are small (all centres are using the same ones). And even in my hospital vaccination centre where it was all staff being vaccinated the vaccinators checked both times I was OK with needles and were prepared to deal with me if I wasn’t.

The communication cards is a great idea.

Rooting for you. In 36 hours, possibly less, you’ll have done this and placed an order for your boots.

BruceAndNosh · 15/05/2021 08:47

I've only read OP'S posts so apologies if this has already been suggested...

Give some thought on what you will wear. (it's amazing how many people turn up wearing tight sleeved tops which they can't roll up and have to struggle to take off)
Short sleeved t shirt is best with a single warm easy to remove layer over.
You don't want to faff about to give them access to your upper arm.

CeciliaSeabrook · 15/05/2021 08:57

Agree with getting Valium or similar. I had it when I had laser sight correction. Not due to a phobia, it was just offered and it worked well

CeciliaSeabrook · 15/05/2021 09:02

Sorry missed that you can't access your GP. Can you email them via the website?

n00bie · 15/05/2021 09:27

I think you’re doing amazingly well. I think someone else has already said that the worst case scenario is that it’s too much for you on the day this time, but you’ve made such progress already that I’m sure you’ll get it done if rearranged. Have you thought of calling the vaccination centre in advance and seeing if you can change your appointment for the beginning or end of the day when there are fewer people about? Maybe beginning so you aren’t waiting and fretting all day. The centre I went to did accommodate this for people working night shifts etc, so they may do the same for a medical issue like extreme phobia.

The staff at these places want as many people vaccinated as possible, and I believe they’ll do their absolute best to make it as easy for you as possible. Good luck tomorrow, and be proud of yourself for coming this far.

TheVeryHungryMummy · 15/05/2021 15:54

I have a needle phobia too. I had my first vaccine last week. I don’t run out or resist while I’m there but need to be driven to my appointment or I won’t go, always cry (at most medical appointments!) and struggle to speak.
My appointment went like this:
Parked in a line with about 10 other cars.
Lined up outside centre.
Got to ‘check in’. Had to give my name, date of birth and booking reference number. Take your nhs number if you have it, otherwise they look it up here and write it down for you.
New line - here they asked questions ... I think have I had any covid symptoms/am i well etc. I was crying by this point so can’t remember details sorry.
Round the corner to cubicle. Obvious I was struggling and the nurse did it straight away. Done before I knew and felt nothing.
Sat on chair in waiting area for 15 minutes and then left.

Next time I will write on paper:
Phobic
May not be able to talk.
Will cry.
Am fine!

Plus my name, date of birth, address, nhs number and booking reference number.

For me saying I will cry (and doing it) helps me to be able to stay. Otherwise the flight response is too great. It’s my coping strategy to get through medical appointments.
Saying that I need to get through quickly helps too. Or writing it down to show someone.

Good luck. I wouldn’t tell your sister you’re having yours. Book somewhere she won’t be and don’t mention it to her even after. Don’t allow her to belittle you. And I’d report her too - the centre she’s volunteering at doesn’t need people like her there.

Notimmaturejustscared · 15/05/2021 19:16

Interesting day today. Was pottering around in the kitchen this morning when DH suddenly came up, mimed jabbing a needle into my arm, saying "24 hours till this and you'll be all "ow ow ow" " while laughing. I absolutely exploded. Burst into tears and screamed at him for about 15 minutes straight. Called him names I didn't even know were in my vocabulary. For context, we're normally one of these couples who rarely argue. Told him that he knows how difficult this is for me, or at least he damn well should as I've been trying to tell him and that I'm barely holding myself together right now so how the fuck could he think this was funny or appropriate. Anyway, he was pretty shocked and incredibly contrite and apologetic. Has now said he'll help me tomorrow and advocate for me if I fall apart and/or can't speak. A little while later though he started muttering about it not being fair that he is the bad guy when I'm the one that needs to deal with my problem, so I explained (a bit more calmly this time) that I am dealing with it. I've done so much but there still feels like there's a mountain to climb tomorrow and that my efforts don't exist in a vacuum and I really will need extra support and not ridicule.

I don't think he fully gets it - still talking about mind over matter and telling him me to just not get upset (gee, why didn't I think of this) but I do think he's more willing to help and, to be honest, after today, the fear of him seeing me lose control had gone - can't be any worse than what he witnessed today.

Anyway, I've still been tense and uptight all day. Hard to say if this would have happened anyway or if DH has made it worse. I did tell at a cyclist when out for a walk (I don't have anything against cyclists in general but there are some particular arseholes who ruin the woodland paths around here for others. I normally give them a good old British tut under my breath but had a good cathartic shout today which actually made me feel better Grin).

Thank you for all further comments and acts of kindness. I feel like you'll all be behind me tomorrow. The appointment is really early which is good. Don't know if it's the first of the day but early enough so that I won't be freaking out all day.

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WiseUpJanetWeiss · 15/05/2021 19:28

We are absolutely right behind you. I’m glad your DH is beginning to get it and hope he can step up for you. I think people who have never experienced a phobia really struggle with the concept.

I think you will, as the young people apparently say, smash it tomorrow. The pp who says you should plan to cry has it spot on. You’ll cry, the world won’t end, the centre staff will look after you magnificently and you’ll be buying fabulous boots before you know it.

Elliemayclampett · 15/05/2021 19:51

You can cry, it's fine. I am working at a vaccination clinic and we had two people crying today. We took it nice and slow and followed their lead.

You won't be the first person they have seen who is needle phobic and extremely anxious.
Just tell them how you're feeling. They will take everything at your pace and if you're not ready then you're just not ready. You can say no at any point.

Hope all goes well tomorrow. Try to have some breakfast before you go.

backtonormalonedaysoon · 15/05/2021 20:02

I literally didn't even feel either my most recent flu jab (pharmacist) nor my first covid jab (GP). I hadn't realised they'd done it until they put the cotton wool on. I did feel my second covid but it didn't hurt.

backtonormalonedaysoon · 15/05/2021 20:05

Also focus on the fact that by doing this you are protecting vulnerable people. 10 seconds and you're a hero! Not bad at all

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 15/05/2021 20:15

Good luck for tomorrow @Notimmaturejustscared. I also have a needle phobia and I had my first vaccine four weeks ago. DH had to drive me there and speak for me as I was sobbing as we got to the centre but as soon as they knew I was looked after really well. DH could have gone in with me but I chose to have a chaperone from the centre. She was lovely and held my hand all the time and then walked me back out to DH.

chillied · 15/05/2021 20:43

good luck OP. Hope your DH is beginning to understand how he can support you, as otherwise he is being seriously unimpressive.

I have to have a blood test every month, really used to needles and not phobic. But I never ever look at the needle. I also try for mental pictures of calm landscapes etc.

Of all the needles I've encountered the covid vax needle is "barely there". It must be very thin.

I had flu-y side effects after the first and none after the second. Sore arm after both!

Puffler · 15/05/2021 20:53

I’m needle phobic but have got better in recent years (roll back a decade and I’d vomit, scream and run away - I was so embarrassed by the irrationally of it).

I’ve had both my jabs now. The first one I burst into tears when I went in and said I was needle phobic and they were lovely, really looked after me and kept me calm. I didn’t really feel it apart from a slight sting when it went in.

Second one I was getting worked up, went in and sat down, had already taken my jumper off as was sweating with fear in the waiting area, and they started to ask the questions and before I had time to say I was needle phobic, and was just shaking my head to say I’m not pregnant, the nurse I wasn’t expecting to do it, darted in from the side and said it’s done. I was looking for the empty syringe as I didn’t believe her and she shrugged and said she could see I was nervous so best to do it fast.

Honestly, I’m terribly but it was fast and I’m glad I had it done. I did get someone to drive me in case I passed out. I did vomit on the verge on the way in for my first one... not my finest moment. But I did it. You won’t be the only needle phobic person!

FannyFifer · 15/05/2021 20:58

I'm a nurse vaccinator, if u are near me in Scotland I would gladly come with you, or I might even be working at the place u have ur appointment.
We are really used to very nervous people, there is often a quiet room you can go in.
You are doing great, you can do it. Xx

Hangingtrousers · 15/05/2021 21:20

Hi OP
I'm 24 hours post jab and yep I didn't feel it at all.
Sending strength for tomorrow. You CAN do this ❤️

FrozenCucumberPresse · 15/05/2021 21:28

@catatecheese

Hi, lots come in like you , we even have an area they can lie down for it. Deep breathing it's literally a second and honestly it doesn't hurt at the time! Oh but please don't turn up with visible tattoo s and do the whole crying and hyperventilating I'm needle phobic act as that doesn't impress us, and probably why your sister lacks sympathy. See multiple a day like this and most do have tattoos on showHmm so no not needle phobic.
I’m honestly embarrassed for you that you don’t realise the differences between being tattooed and injected.

I suppose it gives you some pleasure to pretend to be a clinician online to spread your nastiness and judgment to others. No actual nurse or HCP would be so stupid as to say what you did though, so nice try but maybe a bit more research is needed next time? 🙄