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Needle phobia, vaccination and unsympathetic family

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Notimmaturejustscared · 13/04/2021 17:56

Please help me. I am extremely needle-phobic and, as you might expect, am finding the current vaccination programme very challenging. I am determined to have the vaccine. My phobia has, in the past, stopped me from doing all sorts of things – travelling and even seeking medical treatment at times. I spent most of 2020 in a state of constant anxiety knowing that having an injection would be my only way out of the pandemic and trying to find legitimate ways of avoiding the needle. I’ve eventually come to the conclusion though that regaining freedom is the line I thought I’d never find – for the first time in my life, I want to be vaccinated, even if the actual process still scares me to death.

I wish I wasn’t like this. I wish I could turn off that bit of my brain which goes into fight or flight mode and unfortunately with me it is always one of those. I have run hysterically from a GP Office, blindly shoving people out of the way and not even aware of what I was doing until I was “safely” outside. If not taking flight, I struggle and scream. I sometimes vomit. I wish I could be a demure fainter. I know it’s irrational but I also know I can’t control it. I had CBT a few years ago which was focused on dental treatment but included injections in general. I can now, with a lot of support and a practice specialising in phobia, cope with dental treatment but the CBT didn’t touch my more general needle phobia. The programme was supposed to culminate with me giving blood but I got into such a state upon entering the building, hyperventilating and struggling to get away that I was told “we don’t need your blood that much, the risk to your own health is too great”. I’m been revisiting all my CBT learning though for the last few months, trying to change my thinking so that I can cope with this vaccination. I’m going with faking it until I make it and have just about convinced myself that I am really looking forward to the vaccination, talking about how much I want it, forcing myself to desensitise by looking at images and watching tv coverage that I would normally switch over. I have rehearsed a short spiel to give as soon as I enter the centre, explaining that I’m very nervous and likely to cry and panic. I was almost there until…

My sister has started volunteering at the local vaccination centre. My sister is one of those no-nonsense types and has been telling me with disapproval and mocking attitude about grown men and women who come in all nervous about this tiny needle. She doesn’t know the extent of my phobia. She remembers how I was in childhood and how badly I reacted to injections at school but assumes I’ve grown up and gotten over all of that nonsense. She’s loved all things medical for as long as I can remember and has some real gallows-type humour about medical procedures as well as a bit of a gladiatorial attitude about how much she can undergo without making a fuss. Her DD was very ill in childhood (thankfully ok now) and this has given her an attitude of “I can’t believe a grown adult would make such a fuss when my DD had to go through much worse procedures with barely a whimper”. Having come so close to feeling I can go through with this, I’m now beside myself with fear about my sister seeing me in this kind of state. It’s not just DSis though, my parents also used to compare my fear to her stoicism and made clear they hated my weakness. I’ve not had any reason to discuss injections with my parents in over 25 years but they did recently ask if I was going to get the vaccine or if I was still “stupid about these things”. I acted really breezy, saying that childhood was a long time ago and of course I would get it. Of course if my sister sees me freaking out, she’ll tell our parents and my family will mock me/be disappointed forever more.

We’re in Scotland so my understanding is that the vaccination appointment is basically a summons, rather than elsewhere in the UK where it is an invitation to book a slot. If that were the case I could book on the days I know she doesn’t volunteer (she does 5 days) but as it is, I won’t have a choice. Recently she was laughing about how a friend of hers came in so she told the vaccinator to “stab this one hard” and how she’ll say similar if she is working when I come in. This is hilarious to her but it has put me in a state of blind panic. I actually threw up after that phone call. Aside from DSis seeing me in my phobic state and possibly adding to it, I’m also concerned about any medical confidentiality. I know that she sometimes does the checking-in side of things and sometimes does queue control and I’m worried about what the checking-in involves. If she is checking me in will she see my medical records at any point? There’s stuff I really don’t want her to know in there. I’m also on some mediation at the moment which I don’t want her to know about – would I have to divulge this?

Please can someone talk me down and help me find some coping tips.

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CeciliaSeabrook · 16/05/2021 12:45

Well done op

Chamonixshoopshoop · 16/05/2021 12:50

Well done Op! Tomorrow you’ll feel elated that you did it ☺️

BillMasheen · 16/05/2021 12:52

Well done you!!

I did just want to,pick up on this.

DH has said that he'll help speak for me but he still doesn't feel right about being fast-tracked or getting any type of special treatment and thinks it will he good for me to go through the normal process

Your DH is being a bit of a bloody wazzock here. The fast tracking isn’t just to be nice. It’s also to keep things nice and efficient for someone through who might slow the process for others. If you faint, that’s going to take 2 or,3 people to sort you out. They are all going to be seriously unimpressed with your DH for talking you out of the help you need.

Ask him, if you get travel sick, would it be ‘good‘ for someone not to take a sick bag, so they could learn to deal with it. Nope. Not good for the person, not good for the people they puke on. Honestly. What a Wally.

JackieQueen · 16/05/2021 12:54

Well done op! Flowers

Chalcroft · 16/05/2021 13:15

Have you considered speaking to your doctor about having a sedative whilst it is done?

Chalcroft · 16/05/2021 13:16

Sorry just seen your update- ignore me!

Howzaboutye · 16/05/2021 16:33

Woohoo! Well done!!!!! Take it easy for the rest of the day. Mega impressed. You are tough stuff.

Mufflete · 16/05/2021 18:08

So pleased for you!! It's really huge that you managed to get it done under all that pressure, definitely time to treat yourself to a reward Smile

Hangingtrousers · 16/05/2021 18:27

Amazing! Well done

Mybigbed · 16/05/2021 18:35

Well done OP. I’m really pleased for you

Wandamakesporridge · 16/05/2021 18:51

Well done OP! I am so happy for you and so impressed with your strength.

I have been following this thread as my DD has developed a pretty severe needle phobia. It’s been helpful to me to read your posts and others, to understand what she is going through. We’ve been trying CBT but it hasn’t worked yet.

I am going to go back through the thread and make some notes about what you have all been saying is helpful to you, as I really want to help her.

FannyFifer · 16/05/2021 22:56

Brilliant, well done OP.

StCharlotte · 16/05/2021 22:57

Well done that woman!

takingmytimeonmyride · 16/05/2021 23:18

I've just read this thread. You are amazing OP, you've done it! I hope your DH was understanding. And I hope you're ok.

alphajuliet123 · 16/05/2021 23:25

I’ve had a few injections over the years (mainly for travel) and I usually hate them too. But honestly, the needle for this one was comparably tiny, and as the nurse chatted to me it was in and done without me noticing. They’re working super fast to get everyone done so no time for faffing (them) or hesitation (you).

Focus on the positives, just think to yourself in a few minutes it’ll all be over. I promise you it won’t be anywhere near as bad you think.

Let us know how you get on Flowers

alphajuliet123 · 16/05/2021 23:25

Oh bollocks. Didn’t RTFT soz! Well done OP!

Notimmaturejustscared · 17/05/2021 17:15

So yesterday was a bit of a rollercoaster of events and emotions. I tried, a few times, last night to update this thread but ended up in a snivelling mess each time I read the messages. I think I was just utterly overwhelmed by the enormity of the day.

I had a very restless sleep on Saturday night and was full of nervous energy on Sunday morning. I tried to eat before we headed off but I just couldn’t manage it. I insisted that we went early. I didn’t want to get caught in any traffic and have even more stress on top of what was already going on. Plus I wanted to scope the place out and get the feel of it – watching people go in and out – before it was our turn. There was no traffic and we got there by 8.50am. There was a guy at the carpark entrance checking appointment letters and letting people in and I started to panic that we’d be turned away and then rushed through later but DH was a gem and explained to him that I was very nervous and that it was part of my coping mechanism to take time at each stage. The guy was lovely and let us straight through. He also told us that the centre was really quiet at that time so whenever I felt ready, I’d be able to go right in rather than waiting for the 9.35 slot. I had been pretty much holding it together but I threw up in the car (luckily into my sick bag) as soon as we parked up and I saw all the vaccination centre signs. It just hit me that this was actually going to happen. After cleaning myself up, I was quite heartened to see people coming and going quite quickly and the people coming out seemed quite relaxed and smiley – nobody was tearful or clutching their arms or anything like that. I decided to go for it in a now-or-never type way. I was rehearsing my “I’m highly phobic and will need extra support speech” all the way to the entrance. The poor woman on the door didn’t know what hit her – she opened the door and asked “how are you today?” so I burst into tears and started sobbing-ranting my speech to her, then the flight response took over and I ran back outside saying I couldn’t do it. She was amazing – brought me a seat outside and said we would sit there until I felt ready to walk inside. I didn’t make things easy – kept jumping up and going to the door saying “I have to do this” and then bolting backwards again. She said they would get me a private area and a really nice vaccinator and she also definitely got the measure of DH who was flapping around saying he didn’t know how to help and it was all mind over matter. She very kindly and quietly said to me that DH could come to the private area but that I might not want to be overcrowded so she could send him away through the normal system if that would be better. I agreed to this and we went inside. It was very quiet – no queues at all so we went straight up to the check-in desk. Lovely woman said she would leave me to answer a few questions (name, address, DoB and phone number) and would go to speak to the specific vaccinator she had in mind. She did tell the check-in person that I was to wait there for her to collect me and not to go to the normal vaccination area but she can’t have been listening because as soon as she had taken my details she motioned for me to follow the arrows round to the vaccination area. This was when I properly lost the power of speech and just burst into tear again in front of her but again DH came through – he had been checking in at a different desk but had overhead my arrangements so came rushing over to explain and remind her that I was going to be taken somewhere else.

The private room was nice, quiet and airy with a big comfy reclining chair (a bit like a massage chair but without that function). I chose not to fully lie down but was seated in a reclining position with my feet up. The greeter who had stayed with me said that she thought it would be better if I got comfy and the nurse came to me, rather than me feeling that I was walking to someone waiting for me, which was such a thoughtful touch and sure enough the loveliest woman I’ve ever met, came along and introduced herself. Turns out she is a nurse practitioner and runs needle-phobia sessions at GP surgery where she works so she was absolutely the right choice. She spent time chatting for a few minutes to put me at my ease (as much as possible) and then went through the screening questions. I’ll be honest though, I just couldn’t take my eyes off the cardboard container she was carrying and kept welling up again. I tried to give her my written notes but she said it was important that I got to appoint where I was calm enough to talk otherwise she wouldn’t feel comfortable going ahead. Then it was time. She asked if I wanted a 3-2-1 countdown or if she should just jab me. I chose the countdown, kept my eyes closed and she took me through some deep breathing exercises before giving the injection. I’ll admit, I felt it, which was a bit of a shock as I had been reliant on so many testimonials saying that they didn’t know it had been done. It was a really hard, sharp scratch and I did scream out loud but, genuinely, the scream had only just started to pass my lips when I realised it was all over. It was a millisecond of discomfort and within that millisecond, I ended up in a half-scream, half-laughter situation as all the tension and anxiety was released from my body and mind. I just couldn’t stop laughing, which seemed even more alarming to the vaccinator than my previous crying-response. I just had this huge rush of euphoria that I had done this huge scary thing and although it really was huge and scary, it had been ridiculously quick. I think it’s really important to me to hold onto, and constantly remind myself, of the actual injection sensation. Yes, I felt it and in that moment, the fact that I was feeling it was terrifying to me but what I felt wasn’t pain. The only way I can really describe it is sharpness and I need to remember this and ensure that my mind keeps the distinction between pain and sharp.

I went from abject terror to half-scream to laughter to sudden hyperventilation and then lightheadness very quickly so I ended up sitting with my head between my legs, doing more breathing exercises until reality came back into focus. The nurse called the greeter into the room to let her know that the injection had been achieved. Interestingly she (the greeter) was hugely surprised and impressed – turns out she really did not expect me to go through with it and said that although they’ve seen some phobic people before, I was definitely a whole new level of terrified and that I need to be really proud of myself. Then I got upset and cried again but they were happy tears this time and I kept telling both of them that I wanted to hug them but I knew I wasn’t allowed. I was all for getting out of there asap at that point but they insisted that I stay for 15 minutes and both sat with me and chatted for that time, then the greeter went off to find DH and bring him to me. By this point I was jabbering on about having a really mean sister and about how I was going to buy expensive boots – I wondered if, just by chance, either of them might have been on this thread and would realise that it was me but no response there, other than to say that DSis seems really nasty. I decided not to say who DSis is – I expect they know her so just kept it vague.

I was told that as my first appointment was a Sunday, there’s a good chance the second one will be too and that particular nurse is always there on Sundays so I should ask for her on arrival and also request the private area so that they can give me exactly the same level of support as yesterday and that she’ll remember me and will be able to help again. I said that now I knew what to expect, I think I need to try doing it “normally” but she was quite adamant, saying why would I put myself through that when I know there’s a system that works for me. On the way out, we did have to walk through the normal vaccination area – these were being done in makeshift cubicles with small screens between each one but no curtains at the front so although you wouldn’t be able to see the people being vaccinated on either side, you would have full view into the cubicle opposite and anyone walking past would see everything going on. When I saw this, I realised that I’m not quite there yet and I would freak out if I saw someone else getting vaxxed and also me getting upset would be really disruptive for all around. As it happens, the lovely greeter escorted us out and actually walked ahead down the line of cubicles, motioning for me to stay back until she could confirm that there was nothing scary to see as I walked through. They really did think of everything to make it as easy as possible for me.

I’m feeling much more confident (although still a bit scared) of the second dose. Knowing I can use the same support is very helpful. Next time, I think I won’t ask for the countdown – this was a mistake as I realise I did tense up my arm and negated all the deep breathing exercises. Next time I’ll just focus on relaxing, relaxing and let it happen.

I’ve spent pretty much every day of my life since about 16 years old, doing a mental risk assessment for every activity I do, from cooking, going for a walk, exercising, driving, meeting friends… to see if there’s a possibility that I might get sick or injured because if I do, I’ll likely have to have an injection. That’s the fucked up thing – injury doesn’t bother me, but any needles involved in treatment do. I have done everything possible to avoid a situation like yesterday so to have actually willingly submitted was enormous for me. Yes, it turned out to be easier than I had feared and while it is important for me to acknowledge this, I’m also reluctant to brush the whole thing off as “easy” because it minimises the stress and trauma that I went through to get to that point where the very last second ended up being much better than anticipated. I’m not sure if that really makes sense.

We were meeting DSis and her family for lunch later in the day so all the way home from the centre, I was getting stressed again, saying to DH that we needed to get out story straight, that I needed to pretend to DSis that the whole thing had been a breeze and not let her know I had any special treatment. DSis would ask me who the vaccinator was and I didn’t want to give this lady’s name as she might know that she is the go-to for nervous people. DH ended up getting cross with me for overthinking and still doesn’t understand why I would lie to my family which he thinks is a terrible thing to do.

The rest of the day was up and down. The euphoria wore off and I just needed to crash out so I went to bed for a while. Was back in euphoria for meeting my sister which was handy as I just kept chatting about all sorts of stuff, not letting her get a word in edgeways and changing to subject every time she asked about my vaccination experience. I just kept giving her a quizzical look saying, it was fine – what else is there to say, and then moving on to another topic.

Side effects-wise, I was absolutely fine for the rest of the day yesterday but have a very sore arm today. I’m seeing this as a badge of honour though and a reminder of what I managed to do so that’s fine with me. DH has been more unwell and I hate to be unsympathetic but there’s a little part of me that feels it serves him right. His mother called me out of the blue yesterday to tell me that she was glad I got the jab - apparently DH had told her I was wavering and the whole family would have been really disappointed in me if I had refused it. I was quite taken aback and had another argument with DH about the fact that he told his mum all this (and misrepresented the situation. He just doesn’t seem to be able to separate the fear with the notion of being anti-vax). Later in the day, I made the mistake of telling him about the boots and he was quite annoyed about me spending that amount of money. I told him it was a reward for what I had achieved and then made the mistake of seeking some validation, asking him if he was proud of me. He said no. Said he was pleased I’d gone through with it but could see that I’d been brave but that there was nothing to be proud of because I’d made such a scene and the fact that I was so happy afterwards shows that I was making a big deal over nothing. Also that he didn’t understand why I kept saying “I did it” when he thinks I did nothing – it was done to me and I just coped. So I went to bed really upset with him and with myself, feeling that I’ll never get rid of this phobia and I’m destined to constantly embarrass myself and others.

I feel better today but it was an odd day yesterday.

OP posts:
Notimmaturejustscared · 17/05/2021 17:28

Sorry - that was a HUGE post. I just needed to get it all out.

I really want to send the staff at the vax centre something to thank them for being so amazing. I was thinking about ordering cakes from a local bakery or something like that but I still have this sodding anxiety about my sister and feel I cant put my name on the card or order form in case she sees it and realises what happened.

Wandamakesporridge I really wish you DD well and I'm so pleased that you are supporting her. As you'll have seen from my posts, it makes such a difference to ahve support rather than ridicule or indifference. If I can offer any support to you, or any ore information, please let me know.

alphajuliet I know your post meant well and I really don't want to criticise anyone who has taken the time to come to this thread and had words of support but, by way of feedback and to anyone else who might be reading an struggling with similar fear, I would say that had I read your post before my appointment, it might have tipped me over the edge and stopped me from attending. I know this is not what you intended but the "no time for faffing or hesitation" thing really got to me firstly because it really does sound like it's verging on something my mother or sister would have said to me ("just get on with it, the nurse doesn't have time for your nonsense") and secondly because it would have made me feel like I would be on some kind of conveyer belt and rushed through without being able to feel at ease. I know the written word is sometimes difficult and as a reader, I may well be picking up a tone or inference that was not intended but I did want to respond and be clear that in any case, it's also not true. There is time to hesitation if that hesitation means that the person will be at ease, have a good experience and come back for the second dose with more confidence. I do appreciate the flowers though!

I'm sorry I'm not singling out everyone who has offered words of inspiration, support and congratulations. I know I said this previously but these responses have meant so much to me and I'll never forget your kindness.

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MRex · 17/05/2021 17:33

Thank you for sharing that, it's great that the vaccination centre have such helpful processes. I think you had the right approach with your sister, let your family think it's no big deal and hopefully they won't harass you for jab 2. Shame your DH isn't more understanding, but I'm proud enough of you for two DH's!

Koolandorthegang · 17/05/2021 17:35

Hi OP,

Sorry to hear you have such a terrible phobia, it sounds hard and made worse by people who don’t take it seriously.

Would you consider hypnosis to treat your phobia? My friend was absolutely petrified of flying and never set foot on a plane. She had hypnosis for her fear of flying and she managed to overcome the fear and has flown a few times since.

cnversation · 17/05/2021 17:39

You're bloody brilliant OP. Well done on getting that done

nancywhitehead · 17/05/2021 17:39

You probably need something more in depth than CBT. CBT is a very surface-level approach to counselling, it might help you cope in the moment but it doesn't address deeper issues. It's a bit like putting a plaster on.

With something as strong as what you describe, you will need to dig a bit deeper. I recommend you find a humanistic or psychodynamic counsellor who specialises in helping people who have phobias.

BruceAndNosh · 17/05/2021 18:02

Thanks for reporting back OP
all that detail was really interesting and will be useful to the many of us working in Vaccination centres.

Definitely take up the offer for the same support when you have your second one. No point in making it harder than it already is.

Sounds like your DH started off being supportive but came up short with empathy.
And stuff him. Buy the bloody boots!

Porridgeislife · 17/05/2021 18:17

I had a pretty severe needle phobia but then went through 3 rounds of IVF and two surgeries under GA which, through a burning desire to have a child, more or less cured me of the worst of it. I still fight the urge to get up and run away from blood tests though!

Things that really helped when my husband was giving me jabs:

Noise cancelling headphones
Something funny/amusing on YouTube
A towel over my head so I couldn’t see what was going on
Ice on the injection site to numb it (Emla cream can be used instead - ask your GP)

He was really patient and we got through it. I’m sure the vaccination centre has seen people as frightened as you & have good coping measures in place to help you through it. It’s not an uncommon phobia but I know how scary it is xxx

Porridgeislife · 17/05/2021 18:18

Oh you’ve done it! Well done, I know how hard that must have been for you.