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AcornAutumn · 09/04/2021 17:46

Two days ago, this event took place, re Scaling Up Digital ID.

www.weforum.org/events/global-technology-governance-summit-2021/sessions/scaling-up-digital-identity-systems

A written summary here

sociable.co/government-and-policy/vaccine-passports-drive-forced-consent-standardization-digital-identity-schemes-wef-summit/

It refers to vaccine passports in many ways.

Some posters seem to think it's about showing your vax status. It isn't. These tech developments are happening in front of us. No secrecy, no conspiracy. If you are happy with it, great.

Quotes include:

“I’m hoping with the desire and global demand for some sort of vaccine passport — so that people can get traveling and working again — will drive forced consent, standardization, and frankly, cooperation across the world” — Sandra Ro, CEO at Global Blockchain Business Council


“Our goal is to enable all life situations with this digital ID” — Mykhailo Fedorov, Ukraine’s Minister of Digital Transformation

He hopes to achieve this in 3 years.

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btwwhichonespink · 10/04/2021 12:40

I thought this was fake news to get people frothing 'til I checked and it came from the PM of St Vincent

www.nytimes.com/2021/04/09/world/americas/volcano-St-Vincent-eruption-caribbean.html

Summary - you can only be evacuated from the island if you are vaccinated!

btwwhichonespink · 10/04/2021 12:42

Also hotels are being turned into refuges and they are being asked to get vaccinated before being allowed into the hotels.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 10/04/2021 12:51

Take the vaccine or be left to suffer?

In this situation I could envisage, and prioritising humanitarian concerns, facilities being provided separately for the vaccinated / non-vaccinated if the risk in St Vincent is huge. Not that I agree with that personally either.

Be interesting to see the numbers for St Vincent.....

MistressoftheDarkSide · 10/04/2021 12:55

From the official website, and including the Grenadines:

health.gov.vc/health/index.php/c/1479-covid-19-report-as-at-april-8th-2021

Make of it what you will.......

Terracotta9 · 10/04/2021 13:02

@Mistressofthedarkside

Yes, some of the stuff she says in the video is a bit wtf. Regarding the “magic virus” she does say that the virus is real and people are getting sick. Her assessments are speculation, but she is in a good position to speculate as she was very much part of “the elite” and to some extent still is. She’s good at pulling different observations from finance, tech, health, politics and piecing them together into a single picture.

Lots to think about in your comment. It’s a relief to be able to discuss this somewhere without shrieks of anti-vaxx!!! and grannykiller!!!!

AcornAutumn · 10/04/2021 13:31

@btwwhichonespink

2 days before pubs can open and Oh No! A deadly new variant! www.kentlive.news/news/kent-news/new-nigerian-covid-strain-thats-5283063

That was a conspiracy too. That every time we got within sniffing distance of freedom the government find new variants. Coincidence! they cried. Correlation does not mean causation!

So, do we think it will affect Monday or are they going to save it for the May 17th stage?

It will affect May 17th.

Mistress if the Facebook videos haven't showed up in results,
I'd save your energy.

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LittleRed53 · 10/04/2021 14:06

Thank you for this thread. I agree the 'forced consent' is beyond chilling. I also agree that the genie is out of the bottle, that these things have been dreamt up, developed and ready to implement for a while now, and Covid has provided the perfect problem to set dominoes falling sooner than otherwise would have been possible. The 'problem- reaction- solution' technique has been in stark evidence for at least a year now.

This is a bit of a tangent but I find it really interesting and relevant, and I don't want to risk starting a new thread and a potential pile-on; this is one of the few threads that hasn't been filled with shouting-down. So it's about food supply, global issues with crop failures and encroaching on people's right to grow their own food and keep their own livestock. There's a guy called Christian, works under the handle Ice Age Farmer, who is very focused on this specific issue. He brings attention to laws being passed, news stories receiving little attention etc from around the world, so all completely substantiated information. He has a YouTube channel, and I'm going to link to a recent video he did about the goal of 'zero carbon emissions'. It's almost an hour long but absolutely fascinating if you haven't heard about any of this before now:

The press towards digitalisation of various systems absolutely fits in with this agenda as well, and really this whole crackdown on personal freedom and rights that I know some PPs are concerned about.

Again, sorry for the tangent, but it's information that has really stayed on my mind since I first heard about it and seems to be completely ignored by mainstream media.

LittleRed53 · 10/04/2021 14:10

Ugh okay sorry I don't know why the link isn't working, the video is still available. Let me try again:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=VT4lY6HWdfA

Ephe17 · 10/04/2021 14:18

twitter.com/DDawgly/status/1380416786491920384

THE PEOPLE GETTING THE 2-DOSE VACCINATIONS MAKE UP THE LARGEST NUMBER OF HOSPITALISATIONS [60%] and DEATHS [70%] IN THE RESURGENCE ( the so-called '3rd wave').

This has already happened in Israel, Gibraltar and Chile.

TheReluctantPhoenix · 10/04/2021 14:21

The massive problem is the disconnect between the people who run our society (mainly PPE graduates) and the people who make tech.

You cannot critique technology, or our response to, it if you do not understand it. When I hear people with zero knowledge of exponential curves, r numbers and k numbers pontificate about doing their own 'risk assessments', I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

IMO, most of this thread is 'tin hat' stuff. I don't think that there is a Machiavellian plot to control people through tech or to unnecessarily restrict people's freedom. Most of our leaders are far too stupid and lazy to be working towards some hidden goal. These days, they are mostly just looking towards how much money they can make when they leave politics.

However, there is a trade off between 'connectedness', which most people seem extremely keen on and privacy which, for many people, is far less important. Most people find the prospect of being chipped abhorrent but willingly carry a device around with them that will give away their location and, increasingly, what they have bought and where. And the sneaky increase of CCTV cameras is very useful to catch criminals but, again, means that we cannot drive (or even walk) anywhere without a recording of us being made.

There is a very worthwhile debate on where we are going with technology and what we are willing to give up in return for increasing wealth and convenience. However, to be a meaningful part of the debate, you have to have some knowledge of both ethics and tech, something few do, as most arts graduates have a low opinion of the STEM subjects and vice versa.

Ephe17 · 10/04/2021 14:21

ready to implement for a while now

Coronavirus pandemic exercise New York 18th October 2019

TheReluctantPhoenix · 10/04/2021 14:26

And conveniently, someone with zero understanding of numbers has just made my point for me.

'THE PEOPLE GETTING THE 2-DOSE VACCINATIONS MAKE UP THE LARGEST NUMBER OF HOSPITALISATIONS [60%] and DEATHS [70%] IN THE RESURGENCE ( the so-called '3rd wave').'

Correlation does not equal causation!!

When you see something weird, look for a third factor. And what do all the people who have already had two vaccines have in common-they are either really quite old or vulnerable.

So, you could rewrite the above sentence by saying the old and vulnerable make up the 'HE LARGEST NUMBER OF HOSPITALISATIONS [60%] and DEATHS [70%] IN THE RESURGENCE'. This is hardly Earth shattering news any more.

For this to be remotely reasonable, you would have to compare the total number of hospitalisations and deaths versus the number of infections and, at least so far in the UK, it has dropped significantly.

Ephe17 · 10/04/2021 14:30

[quote LittleRed53]Ugh okay sorry I don't know why the link isn't working, the video is still available. Let me try again:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=VT4lY6HWdfA[/quote]
SPARS pandemic 2025-2028 simulation from John Hopkins University 2017.

www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/our-work/pubs_archive/pubs-pdfs/2017/spars-pandemic-scenario.pdf

Ephe17 · 10/04/2021 14:31

@TheReluctantPhoenix

And conveniently, someone with zero understanding of numbers has just made my point for me.

'THE PEOPLE GETTING THE 2-DOSE VACCINATIONS MAKE UP THE LARGEST NUMBER OF HOSPITALISATIONS [60%] and DEATHS [70%] IN THE RESURGENCE ( the so-called '3rd wave').'

Correlation does not equal causation!!

When you see something weird, look for a third factor. And what do all the people who have already had two vaccines have in common-they are either really quite old or vulnerable.

So, you could rewrite the above sentence by saying the old and vulnerable make up the 'HE LARGEST NUMBER OF HOSPITALISATIONS [60%] and DEATHS [70%] IN THE RESURGENCE'. This is hardly Earth shattering news any more.

For this to be remotely reasonable, you would have to compare the total number of hospitalisations and deaths versus the number of infections and, at least so far in the UK, it has dropped significantly.

It's in a government document.
LittleRed53 · 10/04/2021 14:38

@TheReluctantPhoenix I take your point about stat analysis and needing details and context to rightly understand statistics. However the percentage of vaccinated individuals in Chile is one of the highest in the world, and the number of new cases now is spiking. At the least, surely that puts doubt on how effective the vaccines truly are, at either preventing transmission, infection or serious illness/death resulting from infection.

lightand · 10/04/2021 14:40

@MrsGradyOldLady

It's frightening how fast the WEF plans are moving now. I will resist as long as possible but I do think we will be in the minority. You only need to look on here and other social media to see how much support vaccine passports are gaining.
A majority of people cannot see further than next week. And a lot of them, even when they can, are not bothered enough.

The cries of "I have nothing to hide" are entirely missing the point. It isnt about whether you are innocent.
Makes no difference if someone somewhere would like you to be "guilty" of something.

It is about "them", not about "you".

I am a Christian. I pray about this type of thing. There is always hope with God.I would like to say other Christians realise too, what is happening, but I dont think many do yet, sadly.

TheReluctantPhoenix · 10/04/2021 14:41

@Ephe17,

So let's have a look at what the government document says in full, rather than the capitalised highlight that you have chosen to share:

'32. The resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths is dominated by those that have
received two doses of the vaccine, comprising around 60% and 70% of the wave
respectively. This can be attributed to the high levels of uptake in the most at-risk age
groups, such that immunisation failures account for more serious illness than unvaccinated
individuals. This is discussed further in paragraphs 55 and 56

...

  1. Figure 11 illustrates the age and vaccination status of those hospitalised (left) and dying (rig t) over time in Warwi ’s entral s enario for t e w ole Roadmap (equivalent to igure 4). The top plots are absolute numbers and the bottom plots are as a proportion of those admitted or dying.
  2. This shows that most deaths and admissions in a post-Roadmap resurgence are in people who have received two vaccine doses, even without vaccine protection waning or a variant emerging that escapes vaccines. This is because vaccine uptake has been so high in the oldest age groups (modelled here at 95% in the over 50-year olds). There are therefore 5% of over 50-year olds who have not been vaccinated, and 95% x 10% = 9.5% of over 50-year olds who are vaccinated but, nevertheless, not protected against death. This is not the result of vaccines being ineffective, merely uptake being so high.'

So, in simple language, vaccines would have to provide more than 95% protection for point 32 (your quote) to not apply. Even highly efficient vaccines don't quite get there, although they massively reduce hospitalisations and deaths.

PatriciaHolm · 10/04/2021 14:42

It is a government document, and the point about the maths still stands. The document ,if you actually read it, says -

"This can be attributed to the high levels of uptake in the most at-risk age groups, such that immunisation failures account for more serious illness than unvaccinated individuals."

"This shows that most deaths and admissions in a post-Roadmap resurgence are in people who have received two vaccine doses, even without vaccine protection waning or a variant emerging that escapes vaccines. This is because vaccine uptake
has been so high in the oldest age groups (modelled here at 95% in the over 50-year olds). There are therefore 5% of over 50-year olds who have not been vaccinated, and 95% x 10% = 9.5% of over 50-year olds who are vaccinated but, nevertheless, not protected
against death. This is not the result of vaccines being ineffective, merely uptake being so high."

If million of old and/or vulnerable people take the vaccine (which they have), then even small % of these people being ill and dying will mean the absolute numbers of those doing so will be bigger than the absolute numbers of those doing so in the other, less vulnerable groups. Maths.

lightand · 10/04/2021 14:43

@LittleRed53

Thank you for this thread. I agree the 'forced consent' is beyond chilling. I also agree that the genie is out of the bottle, that these things have been dreamt up, developed and ready to implement for a while now, and Covid has provided the perfect problem to set dominoes falling sooner than otherwise would have been possible. The 'problem- reaction- solution' technique has been in stark evidence for at least a year now.

This is a bit of a tangent but I find it really interesting and relevant, and I don't want to risk starting a new thread and a potential pile-on; this is one of the few threads that hasn't been filled with shouting-down. So it's about food supply, global issues with crop failures and encroaching on people's right to grow their own food and keep their own livestock. There's a guy called Christian, works under the handle Ice Age Farmer, who is very focused on this specific issue. He brings attention to laws being passed, news stories receiving little attention etc from around the world, so all completely substantiated information. He has a YouTube channel, and I'm going to link to a recent video he did about the goal of 'zero carbon emissions'. It's almost an hour long but absolutely fascinating if you haven't heard about any of this before now:

The press towards digitalisation of various systems absolutely fits in with this agenda as well, and really this whole crackdown on personal freedom and rights that I know some PPs are concerned about.

Again, sorry for the tangent, but it's information that has really stayed on my mind since I first heard about it and seems to be completely ignored by mainstream media.

Surprisingly, Russell Brand focuses on some of this stuff as well. He gets up to 2 million views, so there are people taking heed worldwide.
lightand · 10/04/2021 14:45

I have noticed even in the space of the last 4 months since I joined, I would say a definite slowdown of cries of consp iracy theory.
People are waking up in my opinion.

Ephe17 · 10/04/2021 14:46

[quote LittleRed53]@TheReluctantPhoenix I take your point about stat analysis and needing details and context to rightly understand statistics. However the percentage of vaccinated individuals in Chile is one of the highest in the world, and the number of new cases now is spiking. At the least, surely that puts doubt on how effective the vaccines truly are, at either preventing transmission, infection or serious illness/death resulting from infection.[/quote]
Same is true for Israel and Gibraltar.
Gibralatar has the highest rate of CV deaths per capita in the world.
The spike in deaths came after "vaccine" rollout.

www.conservativewoman.co.uk/the-vaccine-connection-to-death-on-the-rock/

Chief Minister Fabian Picardo to describe the crisis as ‘the worst loss of life of Gibraltarians in over 100 years. Even in war, we have never lost so many in such a short time’.

Ephe17 · 10/04/2021 14:49

twitter.com/JuliaHB1/status/1380824458466836487

Scientists censoring other scientists for questioning scientific claims with scientific evidence to the contrary. This won't end well. If the science behind wearing face masks is so strong, why would anyone need to censor evidence to the contrary?

TheReluctantPhoenix · 10/04/2021 14:49

@LittleRed53,

So, let's have a look at Chile. We are still at the point where less than 40% of the population has been vaccinated, and mostly with just one Sinovac vaccine, a vaccine with only just over 50% efficacy. They are also, sadly, in trouble with the most infectious variant.

See the below article from the FT:

www.ft.com/content/89992bc9-051a-42b5-8be0-60edad4165cb

Terracotta9 · 10/04/2021 14:51

@TheReluctantPhoenix

I agree with you that often the public don’t understand the implications of big tech and the trade-offs they make for the sake of convenience and connectedness. It’s difficult as a society to address the issue when the average person doesn’t have a good grasp of what Big Data is, and how it might threaten democracy, personal autonomy, etc.

But it’s also not very hard to understand it either, all it takes is a little bit of reading and curiosity. (I recommend Soshanna Zuboffs book Surveilance Calitalism.

IMO, most of this thread is 'tin hat' stuff. I don't think that there is a Machiavellian plot to control people through tech or to unnecessarily restrict people's freedom. Most of our leaders are far too stupid and lazy to be working towards some hidden goal

Its unfair to use language like “tin hat” and dismiss “hidden goals” when there is nothing hidden about this. There is no conspiracy here or secret agenda. This thread is literally just pointing to a summit of world leaders who are very openly using phrases like “forced consent” in regards to their plans to use tech as a method of tightening control on the global populace.

Again, there is no conspiracy here. It’s right out in the open.

lightand · 10/04/2021 14:51

@CautiousBlonde

The World Health Organisation is suggesting that implied consent can be applied when it comes to the Covid vaccine for children. So, if you have previously not given consent for your child to have the vaccine but send you child in to school on the day of the vaccine, they will take that as implied consent and your child will be given the vaccine.

Not good. At. All

Read something somewhere about "implied consent" It is a thing now. It was what was done with organ donation. I noticed around the date that it came into force, little or nothing was said, by either the government or the government's mouthpiece, aka the media.

I watch the media now to see what gets reported and what is left out, to see where the government thinking is at.

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