World Economic Forum event

[AcornAutumn]

Two days ago, this event took place, re Scaling Up Digital ID.

www.weforum.org/events/global-technology-governance-summit-2021/sessions/scaling-up-digital-identity-systems

A written summary here

sociable.co/government-and-policy/vaccine-passports-drive-forced-consent-standardization-digital-identity-schemes-wef-summit/

It refers to vaccine passports in many ways.

Some posters seem to think it's about showing your vax status. It isn't. These tech developments are happening in front of us. No secrecy, no conspiracy. If you are happy with it, great.

Quotes include:

“I’m hoping with the desire and global demand for some sort of vaccine passport — so that people can get traveling and working again — will drive forced consent, standardization, and frankly, cooperation across the world” — Sandra Ro, CEO at Global Blockchain Business Council

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“Our goal is to enable all life situations with this digital ID” — Mykhailo Fedorov, Ukraine’s Minister of Digital Transformation

He hopes to achieve this in 3 years.

[quote Sparrowcrane]Have you seen this letter to D Trump from Archbishop of Ulpiana? stpeterschulte.com/news/bulletin/2390-letter-carlo-maria-vigano/file[/quote]
A book has just been published compiling all the Archbishop's letters, the author speaks about the book in this video rumble.com/vfay5d-book-argues-deep-church-infiltrated-second-vatican-council.html

@Heysiriyouknob Glad you decided to post. I imagine most of the PPs on this thread have experienced being shouted down, called horrible things and lumped in with groups of people they actually have nothing to do with. Being attacked by a mob is almost as unpleasant online as I imagine it's dangerous offline.

It's great that there are a few threads on here now where it hasn't descended into a pile on, and open discussion continues. I definitely want to keep these threads going.

This has been planned for decades. Then to distract people they labelled those who were trying to shine a light on it as conspiracy theorists. Its the same with the vaccine and calling people who constructively criticise or challenge the vaccine as anti vaxxers. Any challenge no matter how small and your still an anti vaxxer.

Same with spreading misinformation. Over the last yr you only have to see howbthey have been pushing that agenda and subliminally pushing people to believe only certain channels or people are telling the truth and everything else is fake news.

Unfortunately people who are just really seeing what's going on it is starting to feel all a little bit too late.

If some theories are true then we will have all our dent wiped out in exchange for giving up ownership of things like houses etc. You will effectively become a slave, not allowed to own property etc. Only the elite and rich will escape that.

at's been bugging me for ages. Is the ID card in Italy a digital card?

Heysiri I had absolutely no idea that posting about the WEF was a minefield. I am honestly mystified. It's a well known organisation and not even in a shady way, just well known.

Generally I like to avoid what I now call internet culture, maybe I mean social media culture. This stuff comes to my attention from normal life. The Surveillance Capitalism book was one I read after attending a lecture on privacy.

A lot of it comes from a place of fear though. People don't want to think that the world and those who run it is actually quite sinister.

I know so many people who just do it believe for a second that there is anything outside their world of work, going to the cinema and having a nice holiday. And they will do anything to keep that.

I replied to a comment on here once, someone said "do you really think the world leaders all meet up and have a drink to plan this stuff". I pointed them in the direction of the Bilderburg group, Bohemian Grove. And guess what, I was told I was crazy yet again. But all the info is out there, nothing is hidden. People just don't want to see it.

We are all just slaves anyway, let's not forget that.

I'm off for the day so in case of weirdo posters, I'd like to reiterate the concerns I'm raising are the ones in my posts and not in anyone else's. I'm concentrating on the tech, oh would be derailers.

Which is another reason it's good to have the internet off for the day

I don't think you can stop people derailing - that's the nature of Mumsnet and happens on all threads. The odd off-topic post is fine!

@btwwhichonespink

I don't think you can stop people derailing - that's the nature of Mumsnet and happens on all threads. The odd off-topic post is fine!

I'm not trying to

I'm just making my own position clear. I don't want more "this thread is dangerous" because of stuff I didn't post!

@Heysiriyouknob

A lot of it comes from a place of fear though. People don't want to think that the world and those who run it is actually quite sinister.

I know so many people who just do it believe for a second that there is anything outside their world of work, going to the cinema and having a nice holiday. And they will do anything to keep that.

I replied to a comment on here once, someone said "do you really think the world leaders all meet up and have a drink to plan this stuff". I pointed them in the direction of the Bilderburg group, Bohemian Grove. And guess what, I was told I was crazy yet again. But all the info is out there, nothing is hidden. People just don't want to see it.

We are all just slaves anyway, let's not forget that.

I completely agree with all this. I have spent the past decade or so keeping an eye on this stuff and watching with interest, then disquiet and then horror as the narrative has been manipulated slowly over time, creating the 'anti' term and then applying it to everything to create a custom slur which will carry a similar weight to all the other previous slurs. Antivaxxers, anti-maskers, anti-lockdown, antifa. The antivaxxer term has been around for a long time but I remember a time when it didn't exist. And as you say, people get lumped into these large groupings when their own motivations and thoughts may differ quite widely.

I also agree that the majority of people don't want to entertain the idea of any of this - why would they? It's terrifying. Even I have days where I don't want to deal with it and just want to watch Line of Duty and have some cake in peace. I don't want to have to think about this shit. A bit like my feelings on climate chance and the destruction of the natural world, I flip flop between facing it grimly and seeing the extent of how messed up stuff is, and then having a rest from the horror of it and doing something inane. I don't think is awful to need a break, it's just a human coping strategy.

To put it another way, much of the modern world is (deliberately?) created to be distracting and also tiring, so most folk have to put a lot of energy into staying alive and following the route of least resistance. It's mentally exhausting to challenge the status quo, why would you? It's easier to believe most things are benign, or individual countries and governments are too inept, bureaucratic of wrapped in red tape to be able to organise anything so long running with such a long term game plan. When you really think about this, it makes sense why so few people seriously ponder this stuff, it's just so gruelling mentally and emotionally to go there. Which is why this stuff will unfold over time with little resistance.

@RhubarbTea it is all quite terrifying. I'm the same as you, I have to take time off from reading or thinking about it. Because the world is a dark place and I have to take myself away from that and distract myself with nice things, concentrate on taking joy in my family, the beautiful world around me.

Which is why I do understand why a lot of people just won't entertain it, and ridicule people who do. It's frightening just how little (well, no) control we actually have as people.

I met my husband ten years ago and at first he thought I was a bit bonkers. Then as time went on, he started to read books that I had, or if he asked what I was reading on the internet, I'd show him and he would ask bits and bobs. Eventually, his interest was peaked and he started looking into things himself. I never, ever forced it on him, he just took an interest in my opinions at first (as I did with his), and through conversations he wanted to learn more himself.

His family are just concerned with when they can go on holiday. SIL can't wait for the vaccine for the main reason being she is scared she won't be able to book a holiday in the sun without one (her words). She's all for vaccine passports and anything else as she "has nothing to hide". Now, we aren't the type of people to tell anyone out views etc. So it's just a nod and agree type thing - we love her and life is too short.

But Dh said to me a few weeks ago, if you could flick a switch and be like my sister, thinking the world is all hearts and rainbows and the government etc are all there for our best interests, would you?

And do you know what, I would in a heartbeat.

I think a lot of people really believe that in the age of liberal democracy there’s no way we could ever slip backwards into tyranny or totalitarianism.

One half of my family came from a USSR country. My grandmother and some of her relatives saw the writing on the wall early and escaped before it was too late. With this family context, I’ve never been able to take for granted the idea that a more or less benign government will stay benign forever.

Even before covid, I was concerned with what seemed to be the steady drip-drip of ever tightening control. Looking at things like the merging of government and business, the implications of big tech and surveillance capitalism, the growing polarisation around seemingly every topic and the destruction of the middle ground, cancel culture. The left has disappeared into a naval gazing rabbit hole of identity politics and there seems to be no real opposition any more.

Suddenly covid hit and it feels like all of this has accelerated. 18 months ago, if you’d told me that by now we’d be seriously looking at vaccine passports for experimental vaccines and that the UK would have functionally lost the right to protest, I wouldn’t have believed it.

Things are worse than the USSR days, because at least then there were other places to escape to.

@RhubarbTea,

If you seriously believe that 'The Matrix' was a true analogy of the World, rather than a bit of fun, you have to believe that there is a point in any World Leader's life when he or she is inducted into it.

How do you think this happens? Do you think they are taken aside at a G7 or similar meeting and told 'you may think that you were elected to do the best for your citizens, but this is the game plan and you have to get on side'. What would happen if the individual said no and decided to tell everyone what was happening? An unexplained death?

When you actually think about it, it becomes ridiculously fanciful.

@Terracotta9

I think a lot of people really believe that in the age of liberal democracy there’s no way we could ever slip backwards into tyranny or totalitarianism.

One half of my family came from a USSR country. My grandmother and some of her relatives saw the writing on the wall early and escaped before it was too late. With this family context, I’ve never been able to take for granted the idea that a more or less benign government will stay benign forever.

Even before covid, I was concerned with what seemed to be the steady drip-drip of ever tightening control. Looking at things like the merging of government and business, the implications of big tech and surveillance capitalism, the growing polarisation around seemingly every topic and the destruction of the middle ground, cancel culture. The left has disappeared into a naval gazing rabbit hole of identity politics and there seems to be no real opposition any more.

Suddenly covid hit and it feels like all of this has accelerated. 18 months ago, if you’d told me that by now we’d be seriously looking at vaccine passports for experimental vaccines and that the UK would have functionally lost the right to protest, I wouldn’t have believed it.

Things are worse than the USSR days, because at least then there were other places to escape to.

Was our Government ever really 'more or less benign', at least in a global context? And was there ever really ever any genuine opposition or have the Governments of capitalist countries only ever really been there to serve corporate interests?

@BlueBlancmange

Those are fair questions. I don’t know the answer.

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@RhubarbTea,

If you seriously believe that 'The Matrix' was a true analogy of the World, rather than a bit of fun, you have to believe that there is a point in any World Leader's life when he or she is inducted into it.

How do you think this happens? Do you think they are taken aside at a G7 or similar meeting and told 'you may think that you were elected to do the best for your citizens, but this is the game plan and you have to get on side'. What would happen if the individual said no and decided to tell everyone what was happening? An unexplained death?

When you actually think about it, it becomes ridiculously fanciful.[/quote]
They get labelled as conspiracy theorists, wasn't Trump eluding to a shoddy group of people controlling the world and all the media outlets, social media were calling him basically batshit crazy. His draining the swamp analogy etc.

That's is what happens, you get discredited.

And before anyone jumps on truml im using him as an example of a person in a powerful position who was at least speaking out about these things.

Phoenix I haven't seen the Matrix

But I think it's more like the innocents who join a company, often a charity, because they think it does good things. Then they slowly find out what goes, good and bad. Some are quietly disappointed and leave.

I agree that daily life tasks are becoming harder. I don't know if it's connected. But I hope no one wants a smart face mask. Or any mask for that matter.

twitter.com/wef/status/1379720605235175433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1379720605235175433%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rt.com%2Fnews%2F520379-wef-smart-mask-future%2F

A few points
BBC ran a story on fact checking re covid recently. Ie correcting myths. In several cases what they said was factually incorrect!
The WEF thing has been around for a long time. The issue around the pandemic and their agenda is that what we have now is the perfect storm re getting their ideas implemented. These ideas are no great conspiracy to my mind - how can they be when they have been so open about them! But they are a seriously slippery slope to a situation where power becomes increasingly in the hands of very rich people, often in the tech sector and none of whom have been democratically elected.
This is extreme neo liberalism writ large.

@AcornAutumn,

I find it interesting that people are only just waking up to the trade off between privacy and convenience.

This has been going on for years. I don't want a smart speaker and have limited social media. However, having said that, anyone who leads a connected life as an employee and has a bank account, mobile phone and credit cards, has already made the trade in favour of convenience.

Personally, I think that COVID is a time when tech has worked in our favour and the trade off actually makes sense. We do need to try to contain and, ultimately eliminate (at least as a major threat) a virus which is a threat to our way of life. Big data can help with this.

On the other hand, I think governments are on our side here and the GDPR legislation is a first attempt to give us back control of our data. But do enough people actually care? How many just click 'accept all' on website cookies, to optimise the smooth running of the website. My suspicion is 95% plus.

I don't, and never will, buy conspiracy theories. People talk to each other. It is impossible to keep a big secret. It is like the 'faked' moon landings. To believe in the conspiracy, you would have to believe hundreds of people went to their graves without mentioning it to anyone. And then you have to ask who benefits, which is where the answers often become very dodgy.

But tech companies being self-interested in perpetuating their own success and realising the value of your data, and this leading to some sinister implications. I can buy that.

Reluctant "I find it interesting that people are only just waking up to the trade off between privacy and convenience. This has been going on for years. I don't want a smart speaker and have limited social media. However, having said that, anyone who leads a connected life as an employee and has a bank account, mobile phone and credit cards, has already made the trade in favour of convenience. "

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I think they know but don't care. I objected to Oyster cards and my friends and colleagues thought that was crazy of me. Employment is different, there's no option. Same with banking.

It's the points where you can make a choice that people seem to ignore.

Reluctant "But tech companies being self-interested in perpetuating their own success and realising the value of your data, and this leading to some sinister implications. I can buy that."

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That's all I'm saying. I think we are in serious trouble now. One poster on another thread said "imagine lockdown with no internet". I don't think lockdown would have been considered in England with no internet.

@AcornAutumn,

Not sure about that. They could lock down everything bar workplaces and, in many places, did in the Spanish flu of 1918.

www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus

Reluctant my reading and understanding of the Spanish flu

In England, many places were closed, but no "stay ay home" order was issued and no one was legally banned from having a cup of tea with a neighbour under threat of a fine.

I haven't read your article though.

John F Kennedy spoke of a shadowy organisation that really governed the world when he was president. He probably had more insight than most.

No lockdown during spanish flu either. Some things closed but most things open and even the December 1918 election went ahead, where women 'crammed' into polling stations to place their first ever vote!

Children were banned from theatres, but theatres were still open, for example.

And there were no restrictions on movement, social gatherings, anything. Pandemic lockdowns are unprecedented in the UK and to my knowledge were never part of any official pandemic plan until they happened.

Maya Angelou said a wise thing: "when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time". Boris showed us his Big Tech, Big Surveillance colours when he made this speech soon after being elected. If only the media had shared it at the time, there would most likely have been public debate about it, but I certainly never saw it back then (September 2019).

Much of the audience seem to find it all quite amusing, but perhaps some of them are now feeling the same disquiet that we are. Over the last year, Boris has used the World Economic Forum's favourite term "build back better" enough times to show us he's onboard with the agenda - willingly or not.