Under 40s may also be advised to avoid AZ

[MimiPigeon]

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/08/vaccines-advice-could-still-change-30s-jcvi-suggests/

Sorry I don’t have a share token. But it looks like JCVI is suggesting that people in their 30s may also be advised not to take AZ. This could be a game changer for 30 somethings who are still trying to make a decision about whether to get vaccinated in the near future.

I hope my second doesn't get cancelled
It's in 3 weeks time (I'm 36)

@samenwitch

What does it mean for people who have already had their first AZ and are in this age group?

Assuming they haven't changed anything snce yesterday when this was all over the news, is easily available on many NHS, government and newpaper sites, it means nothing. You get your second jab as scheduled.

Also - clots caused by covid are more ‘standard’ (for want of a better word) from what I have seen. DVTs with clear symptoms and more easily treated. The clot linked to AZ is more vague and insidious and also the symptoms could be masked, as headaches are a common side effect of the jab - nearly everyone I know had a headache after their AZ jab.

Another question - how many clots are directly caused by the virus vs those caused by the inactivity that comes with being ill in hospital? It a combination of these factors?

How many women aged under 40 with a healthy bmi have suffered a blood clot as a result of covid? None of the stats given have any detail like this.

There are many questions unanswered and a lot is being glossed over.

Apologies for poorly written post - on my phone.

@QwertyGirly

But (and it's a big but) wouldn't you try to avoid that 4 in a million chance if you could? If the answer is as easy as 'give them a different vaccine' wouldn't you try to take that chance to zero out of 4 million?

Well clearly it isn’t that easy is it? Obviously it would be easy if was just you personally - if it involves 4 million “yous” not so easy (and the 4 million is just an example before the amateur statisticians start putting their oar in).

Obviously it would be easy if was just you personally - if it involves 4 million “yous” not so easy
I totally understand from a public health perspective why they’ve made these decisions. But from an individual perspective nobody cares about the country or the public - they only care about themselves. Every individual wants the safest option for themselves and to hell with everyone else.

To get back to the topic of the thread though: It’s looking like 30-40s have a choice to make between “AZ now” or “possibly an alternative vaccine later”. I think a lot of them will decide to wait and see if the policy changes and they get offered a different vaccine.

Is there any stats on the blood clot victims so far?

We have heard the mix of age and sex.

What about previous Covid diagnosis? Weight? Other illnesses?

I'm 41 and slim. my AZ vaccine is booked for next week. I've also had Covid over Christmas. Like a bad cold and no sense of smell for 2 weeks.

For me my risk of clots might be much less than 4 in a million.

People need facts to make an educated decision about which vaccine to get.

@MimiPigeon

To get back to the topic of the thread though: It’s looking like 30-40s have a choice to make between “AZ now” or “possibly an alternative vaccine later”. I think a lot of them will decide to wait and see if the policy changes and they get offered a different vaccine.

I said initially that I'd get whatever I was offered but in hindsight now I think I'll wait. It will likely be a few more weeks before it's my turn for the vaccine anyway.

They're saying that all of the cases have shown up with the first dose, so the second shot should be ok.

It may not be the same kind of clot with the pill, or getting on a plane, but they're all potentially fatal so I think it's a valid comparison.

im 49 this summer and theres no way i would have the astra zeneca one now , id rather take my chances without . other countries are stopping it , its only ours that want to cover it all up and make out its no big deal that are business as usual , there was a chart in daily mail of the blood clot stats and although they are highest in the 30s group , second highest was in my age group , i dont since this all started believe a word this goverment says and nothings changing that , if i get offered the vaccine its going to have to be one of the other 2 or its a no from me .

It's been a bit shit all along for the 40-50s. Increased risk from covid but not included in the first priority stage. Seems to be concern from JCVI/MRHA/government for under 40s and over 50s but a kind of fuck you to 40-50s.

In order to get these ages groups vaccinated we really need to get some more vaccines approved!

@Tealightsandd

It's been a bit shit all along for the 40-50s. Increased risk from covid but not included in the first priority stage. Seems to be concern from JCVI/MRHA/government for under 40s and over 50s but a kind of fuck you to 40-50s.

Still waiting here too

I’ll take whatever

@Januaryissodull

Can people please stop calling others with legitimate concerns 'stupid'.

I say this as someone who has had the AZ jab.

It's about risk vs benefit. People need to be sure that benefits outweigh the risks.

It isn't really comparable to driving a car. I have to drive a car to be able to work and generally live life. It is a benefit to my quality of life.

Given the risk of serious illness with Covid is smaller in your 20s and 30s, and that there may be other vaccines available. It isn't stupid to consider that the AZ may not be the best option for you personally.

the insults always start flying about a reluctance to have this vaccine , everybody is so damned desperate to get back to normal any poor fucker that might not want to get vaccinated stands in the way of that ,and duly gets roasted

@chaosrabbitland

im 49 this summer and theres no way i would have the astra zeneca one now , id rather take my chances without . other countries are stopping it , its only ours that want to cover it all up and make out its no big deal that are business as usual , there was a chart in daily mail of the blood clot stats and although they are highest in the 30s group , second highest was in my age group , i dont since this all started believe a word this goverment says and nothings changing that , if i get offered the vaccine its going to have to be one of the other 2 or its a no from me .

Have you had Covid already?

The risk from a negative outcome is higher from Covid than the vaccine

Up to you but as long as people declining doesn’t slow down roll out and we just cope with subsequent hospitalisation

@Tealightsandd

It's been a bit shit all along for the 40-50s. Increased risk from covid but not included in the first priority stage. Seems to be concern from JCVI/MRHA/government for under 40s and over 50s but a kind of fuck you to 40-50s.

We Gen-Xers are used to it

“Many 30-40 year olds are debating whether or not to be vaccinated considering the risks of AZ, which is the vaccine they’re likely to be offered. Now it’s possible they won’t have to make that decision because there’s a suggestion that AZ may soon be recommended against for that age group.”

Any idea when that will be? I’m due my second AZ in 2 weeks and I’m in that age group. Not sure whether to go ahead or wait.

@chaosrabbitland

im 49 this summer and theres no way i would have the astra zeneca one now , id rather take my chances without . other countries are stopping it , its only ours that want to cover it all up and make out its no big deal that are business as usual , there was a chart in daily mail of the blood clot stats and although they are highest in the 30s group , second highest was in my age group , i dont since this all started believe a word this goverment says and nothings changing that , if i get offered the vaccine its going to have to be one of the other 2 or its a no from me .

Perfect example here of inability to accurately assess risk!

At nearly 49 you have reason to be concerned by coronavirus itself than ANY of the vaccines! If the risk of blood clots is higher for people in their 30s well that's me- I'm 33- I'm barely concerned about the risk of it and I'm lower risk from coronavirus than you as well. Will still be delighted to get any of the vaccines.

@Chailatteplease

“Many 30-40 year olds are debating whether or not to be vaccinated considering the risks of AZ, which is the vaccine they’re likely to be offered. Now it’s possible they won’t have to make that decision because there’s a suggestion that AZ may soon be recommended against for that age group.”

Any idea when that will be? I’m due my second AZ in 2 weeks and I’m in that age group. Not sure whether to go ahead or wait.

Would vaccines be mixed? Maybe

But also if you’ve had first then you must be ok

What have you heard about second dose causing it?

Those considering about other options Ema is reporting cases in j&j as well (not approved yet in the uk)
mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2BW1MB?__twitter_impression=true

Vaccine mixing investigation is still on going in the uk. Started in februaru and the soonest we’d have data would be may - June
www.gov.uk/government/news/world-first-covid-19-alternating-dose-vaccine-study-launches-in-uk

Perfect example here of inability to accurately assess risk!

Agree. Frustrating to see so many respond to this as they are

@LacyEdge We're the invisible generation

I'm clinically vulnerable and have had mine (AZ) but feel a sense of solidarity with my fellow 40-50s.

everybody is so damned desperate to get back to normal any poor fucker that might not want to get vaccinated stands in the way of that ,and duly gets roasted

Very astute observation @chaosrabbitland

@Cornettoninja

everybody is so damned desperate to get back to normal any poor fucker that might not want to get vaccinated stands in the way of that ,and duly gets roasted

Very astute observation @chaosrabbitland

Of course people want to get back to normal. Don’t you?

What’s so great about this wave of bad choices on mn