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Under 40s may also be advised to avoid AZ

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MimiPigeon · 09/04/2021 10:35

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/08/vaccines-advice-could-still-change-30s-jcvi-suggests/

Sorry I don’t have a share token. But it looks like JCVI is suggesting that people in their 30s may also be advised not to take AZ. This could be a game changer for 30 somethings who are still trying to make a decision about whether to get vaccinated in the near future.

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MimiPigeon · 09/04/2021 12:30

@Angel2702 the official line is that blood clots have only occurred after the 1st jab. So if you didn’t react to the 1st jab then you’re safe to get the 2nd.

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Boringlynormal · 09/04/2021 12:32

@Angel2702 We are still going to be called to have them but I won’t be until we know a lot more.

Anon778833 · 09/04/2021 12:36

It seems to me that the reason the numbers of ill people are falling more quickly than expected is partly because of the positive effects of the vaccination programme . As others have said, this doesn’t seem to be the case in Europe. I think a lot of this stuff about AZ is political or maybe because it’s not for profit.

bumbleymummy · 09/04/2021 12:38

@moochingtothepub

30 year olds have died from covid! All medicines have a risk, the question is whether it is a risk worth taking and in this case it is generally unless you have an underlying blood clotting disorder. We've all had AZ, DD's are late teens and 20's, all fine (plethora of reasons why they qualified, I got mine as a carer)
Very few though. 30 year olds can die from flu too but most of them don’t get vaccinated against it.

I think we’ve done a brilliant job vaccinating the vulnerable groups. If younger people want the vaccine then they should by all means have it but I think the idea that everyone needs to have it has to stop being pushed. By next week over 70% of people in the U.K. will be immune, either from vaccination or after infection.

beguilingeyes · 09/04/2021 12:41

The odds of getting a blood clot:

• from the contraceptive pill - 1 in 2000
• from flying - 1 in 1000
• from Covid - 1 in 10

• from AstraZeneca: 1 in 250,000

Get vaccinated.

Angel2702 · 09/04/2021 12:44

[quote MimiPigeon]@Angel2702 the official line is that blood clots have only occurred after the 1st jab. So if you didn’t react to the 1st jab then you’re safe to get the 2nd.[/quote]
So if advice does change it will only apply to those not yet vaccinated with 1st dose?

bumbleymummy · 09/04/2021 12:52

@beguilingeyes

The odds of getting a blood clot:

• from the contraceptive pill - 1 in 2000
• from flying - 1 in 1000
• from Covid - 1 in 10

• from AstraZeneca: 1 in 250,000

Get vaccinated.

People keep using the contraceptive pill as an example but they’re not the same type of clots.
Schulte · 09/04/2021 13:03

Some senior UK haematologist quoted in the FT today saying they’ve seen almost 100 blood clotting cases now and 80% of patients were under 60 years old. Doesn’t stack up with the ‘risk is not age related’, does it? I too think it’s an emerging situation.

Januaryissodull · 09/04/2021 13:04

Also it's like there is an assumption that every woman takes the pill.

As a woman in my 30s I don't take the pill, don't drink or smoke. I'm quite risk averse.

That doesn't mean I'm against this vaccine, but really at this stage, ideally I'd have liked to have known more about this. Such as are women higher risk of these clots, will the other vaccines end up having similar issues, will we find there are issue after lots of people have their second jabs.

With regards to the risk from Covid, there may be people in their 30s who have already had Covid with no ill effects, or people who feel that their risk of catching Covid is extremely low due to their circumstances.

It's much more clear cut in favour of the vaccine if your are older.

ChloeCrocodile · 09/04/2021 13:05

The comparison with the contraceptive pill is a red herring. The risks of taking that need to be compared with the risk of not taking it (ie pregnancy). For most people the risks of the pill are far less than those of pregnancy.

For the vaccine you need to compare the risks of COVID with the risk of the AZ vaccine. For those under 30 the benefit of the AZ vaccine isn’t clear, so they are advised not to have it.

Personally, I’m not convinced the other vaccines have a better risk profile than the AZ one, and strongly suspect that the JCVI may eventually conclude that those under 30 (or possibly 40) with no underlying health conditions needn’t have a vaccine at all because their risk from COVID is (and always was) ridiculously small. I’m in my 30s and I’m happy to go with whatever JCVI decide, because I understand that in either case the risks are minuscule.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 09/04/2021 13:05

I am 30 and this is reassuring. I feel like my risk of Covid is more similar to a 29 year old than a 39 year old.

UsedUpUsername · 09/04/2021 13:06

@WaterBottle123

Jesus wept.

If you're not willing to get AZ also pls stop driving your car, as your risk of being involved in a fatal car crash is 1/5000 MUCH higher than the the 4/1000000 blood clot risk.

When did people become so stupid?

I mean, you could say the same about COVID for most age groups as well ....
Kimye4eva · 09/04/2021 13:07

The comparison with the contraceptive pill is a red herring. The risks of taking that need to be compared with the risk of not taking it (ie pregnancy). For most people the risks of the pill are far less than those of pregnancy

But there are plenty of alternatives to the pill. I think it will be interesting to see how many people stop taking it and switch to other methods and if there is any correlation to people who chose not to have the AZ vaccine.

UsedUpUsername · 09/04/2021 13:09

from Covid - 1 in 10

Gonna need a source on that one chief

Very much doubt those numbers in the age range we are referring to; would be a shame if these particular risks are born by a younger age group, who’ve already sacrificed a lot to protect the elderly

DiddyDumdumdum · 09/04/2021 13:12

Our local vaccine centre had a load left over last week of AS vaccine and so were offering walk in vaccinations. My colleagues/friends and I all descended and got our vaccinations. We are all under 40 and I don't know anybody who turned their nose up because it was AS.

Kimye4eva · 09/04/2021 13:13

Personally, I’m not convinced the other vaccines have a better risk profile than the AZ one, and strongly suspect that the JCVI may eventually conclude that those under 30 (or possibly 40) with no underlying health conditions needn’t have a vaccine at all because their risk from COVID is (and always was) ridiculously small. I’m in my 30s and I’m happy to go with whatever JCVI decide, because I understand that in either case the risks are minuscule

I agree with this for further down the track. I don’t think the young will be getting an annual booster forever. I expect it will be more like the flu vaccine where it’s high risk groups and those who care for them who get an annual shot.

I keep seeing people mention clots worn the Pfizer vaccine too but haven’t actually seen any numbers.

Anonawoman · 09/04/2021 13:18

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This has been withdrawn at OP's request.

ChloeCrocodile · 09/04/2021 13:19

But there are plenty of alternatives to the pill. I think it will be interesting to see how many people stop taking it and switch to other methods

It’s a while since I was prescribed the pill, but from memory the risk of blood clots was clearly explained, and I was asked about family medical history to help determine if it was too risky for me. Assuming things haven’t changed since then, women taking the pill have already made an informed decision about it, and are unlikely to chance their minds as there is no new data.

littlepeas · 09/04/2021 13:19

@UsedUpUsername

from Covid - 1 in 10

Gonna need a source on that one chief

Very much doubt those numbers in the age range we are referring to; would be a shame if these particular risks are born by a younger age group, who’ve already sacrificed a lot to protect the elderly

Yes, where is this 1 in 10 coming from? I keep seeing it, but it surely can’t be correct, especially as a huge number of people are either completely asymptomatic or very mildly affected with covid. Most especially in the age group under discussion here.
Iamclearlyamug · 09/04/2021 13:19

I’m more worried that I won’t be allowed my second dose if the advice is changed. I’m 32 and had my first dose just under 2 weeks ago. I’m absolutely fine and happy to have the second dose. If the advice changes will they not allow my second dose and make me start over with a new vaccine? I’ll be fucking fuming if that’s the case, I’ve already had covid so have antibodies - I only took the vaccine so that I’d be more likely to be able to travel this summer 🤦‍♂️🤬

littlepeas · 09/04/2021 13:20

Is it 1 in 10 of those hospitalised with covid. That would make a lot more sense.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 09/04/2021 13:21

I keep seeing people mention clots worn the Pfizer vaccine too but haven’t actually seen any numbers. Have you googled it?

First comparison of clotting risks between AZ and Pfizer was published about 3 weeks ago, reported across quite a few reputable websites, medicine journals etc.

samenwitch · 09/04/2021 13:23

What does it mean for people who have already had their first AZ and are in this age group?

ChloeCrocodile · 09/04/2021 13:28

Iamclearlyamug, it is unlikely they’ll ask you to switch because the trials on mixing doses are still ongoing and therefore the risks of doing so are unknown.

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