People are going to start feeling a bit silly

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So many talking about how this is the great reset, how this doesn't stop until we say it does and how we are never coming out of lockdown etc.
Think they are going to feel a bit stupid over the coming weeks!

The logic behind vaccine passports seems odd. Surely those who have been vaccinated should be safe otherwise what is the point of the vaccination and those who chose to wait or not have it are perfectly aware of their risk and will make their choices on which venues to go to based on that risk. It doesn’t make it any safer for those who are unable to have the vaccine for other reasons -
pregnant women, for example, as they won’t be allowed to do anything with the passports in place anyway.

And where do children come into it? What is the difference between unvaccinated children and unvaccinated adults? For access to the cinema for example.

@tormentil
But surely the government would see the direction it was going in and would refuse?? Why would every government agree to it, unless they were being forced? And if so, how?

@Tumbleweed101 Don’t they want to vaccinate children too?

@tormentil Also, what jobs will the middle class have then? And the working classes 🤷🏻‍♀️Everyone really

The logic behind vaccine passports seems odd

I think the logic may be money? The alternative to domestic vaccine passports is social distancing, which means fewer people and less profit. Maybe I am cynical, but I can't help feeling that plays a part.

Vaccine passports/tests etc. for travel are another matter though and I think perfectly sensible.

[quote toocold54]@tormentil

Sorry it’s hard to get tone over messages. Do you seriously believe the government are trying to cull the middle class to replace them with robots or are you being sarcastic?[/quote]
It's not an impossibility.
I know it sounds absurd.
It's not a belief.
I do however believe in knowing your enemy.
That way you fight the right battle, use your energy the right way.

@Steptoeshorse1965

Who truly knows what is going on? None of us, fact. We only have what we are being told and what is being trotted out to us, by people whose motives and intentions are suspect to say the least, government, big pharma, big business and the rest of the shysters who have been sticking it to us all these many years.

No world wars for years, population explosion worldwide, so much more going on, origin of the virus still largely unknown by the man in the street, I ask again-Who REALLY knows what is going on or why. I don't find any hypothesis too far fetched just now.

I think it’s blimmin lucky there hasn’t been any kind of conflict that requires a concerted ‘home front’ effort, such as in WW2. Looking at how so many people haven’t coped with the restrictions caused by a pandemic, It really brings home how different society was in WW2, when they coped with 6 years of being told what to do and not to do, restrictions, rules and a distinct lack of normality. Then of course things like rationing continued into the fifties. Just feel that the contrast to now is quite shocking.

[quote Heyupeasterbunny]@tormentil
But surely the government would see the direction it was going in and would refuse?? Why would every government agree to it, unless they were being forced? And if so, how?[/quote]
As I see it, and I'm willing to be wrong, the clear sighted people of integrity have been managed out of every position of influence for a number of years now. And anyone who fights hard against this, will invariably find themselves in the middle of a trumped up 'scandal'.

[quote Heyupeasterbunny]@tormentil Also, what jobs will the middle class have then? And the working classes 🤷🏻‍♀️Everyone really[/quote]
I don't really know absolute answers. It's just what could happen, given how far down a particular path we have come.
And the reason I'm posting is to be part of building awareness.
Forewarned is forearmed, as they say.

@CuthbertDibbleandGrubb

No sympathy for anyone who has elections on May 6th and votes Tory. Make your feelings known through the ballot box.

It's a Labour Government where I live and they're even worse. Who do you suggest I vote for?

If population control was the aim by any government there has been plenty of opportunity over the past twenty years to engineer a conflict that would require conscription or even events leading to mass loss of life. I really don’t think a virus (which runs the risk of instability - you can’t control what it does out in the wild) is how ‘they’ would go about it. It’d also be pretty easy and infinitely easier to retain control by meddling with the food chain

We were a pliant, docile population before covid, happy to work for a tiny percentage of what we earn the top 1% in the hope of gaining some crumbs for ourselves despite the massive gap between the poor and the really poor.

Now we’re restless, compassion fatigued and pissed off. That’s not a population anyone particularly wants to try and control to gain anything.

The plan is that we will be free of restrictions in mid June.
Before that many shops and customer facing businesses open in a reduced form.
Did the Prime Minister announce that he thought vaccine passports for intra UK travel would be unreasonable and he won't do it?
Other countries are likely to demand that visitors have proof of vaccination and a recent test. It would be sensible for us to be on the same system and standard of enforcement.

@Temp023

So, what is an alternative to vaccine passports then?

They make sense to me.. and if enough people have them, then people who have a genuine reason not to be vaccinated can be confident that there will be herd immunity.

Why does there have to be an alternative? Why is it suddenly the answer to everything, when it has never been needed before.

Let me explain simply. Lots of people don't want to be vaccinated at this point in time for various reasons. That is their right to choose and they don't have to have a recorded clinical reason why they shouldn't have it to exercise that right.

Are you saying they shouldn't be allowed to access all the things we gave up temporarily to save the NHS without submitting to unwanted medical treatment?

@tormentil It just seems bizarre that they would ‘All’ go along with it, I mean, they have families and children and families of their own, how would they agree to a future like that.
The only other thing I’ve thought (yes, people will think I’m completely paranoid) is this is done kind of a war and their arm is being forced somehow. I honestly feel like we’re all being manipulated at times, the amount of changes..or being sent slowly mad, how can it just be sheer incompetence on their part. None of it makes sense to me, yes it’s a nasty virus (I had it in March last year and am still not completely better) but, the survival rate figures etc 🤷🏻‍♀️Why the ushering in of laws saying we aren’t allowed to protest, why now?? These are all the things that makes things seem odd and lead people to question, surely.

You really have to reach a new level of denial to ignore what's going on right in front of your nose. The psychology of the herd is as terrifying as it is fascinating. It's the worst to be on the outside looking in at the madness and I wish I could switch my brain off and join all you people who think this is all random and organic.

@dividedwefall This is where I’m
confused, the majority of people I know, including my parents, Dp’s family etc, wouldn’t even question any of it, I don’t know if I’m going nuts to have questioned it even from a few weeks into all this, when so many of my loved ones aren’t, can’t help feeling this underlying anxiety and fear, are we all just in denial, or if it all just straightforward and I’m reading too much into it.

@Heyupeasterbunny you articulate what I am feeling. Am I the crazy one?

But to accept that I am the one who is crazy would mean dismissing all the real evidence I have seen which kind of comes back round to the point that you have to deceive yourself and ignore quite a lot of facts to go along with this all with no sense of underlying discomfort.

It's hard and miserable.

@Tumbleweed101

And where do children come into it? What is the difference between unvaccinated children and unvaccinated adults? For access to the cinema for example.

Firstly you are correct in that there is no difference between an unvaccinated adult and an unvaccinated child (presuming of course neither has natural antibodies). Secondly and in answer to your question children simply do not come into it. They will just be unable to do the things (cinema etc) that requires a c"Covid passport". If there is one clear message from the Government's approach to Covid is that they really don't give a stuff about young people and children.

I don't know why so many would go along with. That's the one thing I find difficult to explain because world leaders have never all gone along with the same thing at the same time ever. There are many possibilities. Threats, like in Utopia. Promise of financial rewards or jobs if they just implement this or that. Or maybe more innocent - that they have signed up to a global pact that they think is good for humanity if not for the individual.

www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1930591070434356

Here you go. Explains things a bit.

@Tumbleweed101

The logic behind vaccine passports seems odd. Surely those who have been vaccinated should be safe otherwise what is the point of the vaccination and those who chose to wait or not have it are perfectly aware of their risk and will make their choices on which venues to go to based on that risk. It doesn’t make it any safer for those who are unable to have the vaccine for other reasons - pregnant women, for example, as they won’t be allowed to do anything with the passports in place anyway.

^This.

@Bobbiebigbum that link should come with a warning!

Russell Fucking Brand, Britain’s big clown

Agree with you OP,

Never understood the ‘great reset’ conspiracy. Every time I asked who stood to gain, I never got a meaningful reply.

Russell Fucking Brand, Britain’s big clown

Sure you're not talking about Boris? "He is way more clown like.