People are going to start feeling a bit silly

[LemonSherbetFancies]

So many talking about how this is the great reset, how this doesn't stop until we say it does and how we are never coming out of lockdown etc.
Think they are going to feel a bit stupid over the coming weeks!

@dividedwefall

www.itv.com/news/granada/2021-04-06/hot-water-comedy-club-pulls-out-of-crucial-covid-rapid-testing-trial-after-confusing-government-messaging

Comedy club pulling out of the covid passport trial after massive public backlash.

Well that's great news!

I am sorry for the club if they didn't volunteer for the trial but is there actually pushback going on? Great if there is.

[quote Heyupeasterbunny]@AcornAutumn No need to be rude, obviously I am naive to this massive shit show as I’m sure many are as they aren’t even questioning it. I’m just gobsmacked this could even be heading this way.[/quote]
Sorry, I didn't mean to be rude.

I'm just finding it hard to fathom how people don't see it.

That list wasn't intended to be rude - just things that are honestly worth looking at.

@AcornAutumn I do sort of see it but need to get my head round it all. No one I know irl, aside from one friend from school, is questioning it with any seriousness, that’s what I find strange

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@tiredofitall99,

Assuming you are in the U.K., you will most likely get AZ, which is a deactivated virus, not MRNA.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.[/quote]
That is incorrect. AZ also uses genetic instructions to cause the body to create part of the virus. The Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech vaccines both use mRNA as their platform for delivering genetic instructions to create part of the virus. AstraZeneca-Oxford’s uses DNA instead, and the DNA is delivered to cells with the help of another virus known as an adenovirus. www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/why-the-astrazeneca-oxford-covid-19-vaccine-is-different/ar-BB1bhP1n

@dividedwefall That’s a little reassuring if more and more prominent figures are starting to pay attention 🙏

@tiredofitall99 Wigan 🤣

I can't believe how many people on this thread a) haven't heard a single person mention "the great reset" conspiracy theory and b) can't be bothered to put it into the search box on either twitter or YouTube to see how many people are engaging with it

@BonnieDundee What is their justification for the permanent removal of it? Has it gone ahead yet? (Excuse my ignorance, not in the U.K. and only caught snippets of it) surely this will be debated by other mp’s

I think the mistake many people make when looking at how bad regimes come about is to assume that the intention was always malevolent from the start. I doubt it was. I think the government have the intention of reassuring a public they have successfully terrified, and passports/vaccine ID schemes are a way to unlock the 70-80% of consumers who may otherwise carry on hiding away at home.

The reason I oppose the idea is because I think the best intentions can lead to terrible outcomes. The Bolsheviks probably did want to improve conditions for Russian peasants. The GDR believed it was on the right side of history, then ran into a few financial difficultirs, and realised that asking citizens to pay on each other was the best way of maintaining their little fiction. Governments are only benevolent if you have control of them. We currently do not have any levers at all, because no one who opposes this will want to lend their vote to the identitarian left either. The lack of real opposition, the restrictions on parliamentary debate, the suppression of protest, these are issues that will haunt us long after covid is forgotten.

@Ohnomoreno 100% true about the bolsheviks but I think there have been a lot of suspicious things about this from the start. Hopefully not and it has just been an accidental slide into fascism rather than a deliberate coup.

[quote dividedwefall]@TheCountessofFitzdotterel it isn't the fastest way to get the economy moving again though. That's just what you've been told. The quickest way would be to drop all restrictions, today, and get back to normal.[/quote]
Well, that would certainly get the funeral businesses going.

@dividedwefall Haha well I'll feel so much better if we arrive at 1984 by mistake! I think I'm just trying to see this from the point of view of the credulous, and trying to understand why they are so credulous.

US won’t be using vaccine passports:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56657194

I find it’s a bit like CCTV everywhere and the facial recognition stuff. So many people saying they don’t mind because they don’t do anything wrong so they have no problem with being watched and the people who object must have something to hide. Well I’m doing nothing wrong when I’m going to the loo, doesn’t mean I don’t want privacy.

The same with the protest bill. So many people saying how annoying protesters are, I find this attitude so depressing. Yes it might be annoying, but bloody hell! The right to protest is vital.

I read The Times and the comments under some articles there! Frothing at the mouth to lock up people who don’t want a vaccine, stop them receiving any health care, education etc. Covid spreading is all the fault of young people going on protests and beaches. The students should have been locked in their rooms etc. Really nasty stuff.

@tiredofitall99

Sorry typo - Wuhan!! Not Wigan lol

You'll only get Pies, not an escaped virus here. A good line in wigan kebebs though, a meat and potato pie inside a barm.

Reading this thread about powerful people/organisations manipulating world events for their own ends, I had a sneaking suspicion and did a bit of googling.

Yep. There's a lot of people out there who think it's the Jews behind this.

Careful what you're reading, folks, you're bound to come across antisemitism.

Quite an interesting thread. The great Reset? I am no longer sure what that even means. My feeling is that it won't be over any time soon, especially if the Brazil variant gets into the population.....and that risk is quite high. Like many I am fed up with the lockdown, yearn to travel to meet up with friends and family overseas, get a haircut, hear live music etc. etc again.....am also envious of the near normal lives friends and family are leading in Australia and NZ. The ability of those countries to contain the pandemic has meant their GDP growth will be higher than other developed countries like ours. They have only just started their vaccination programme. They both have an effective test, trace isolate system, and it has meant very short, sharp lockdowns occur when there is an outbreak - from 3 days to a week. The Australian states have strict regulations to cross even state borders in Oz. As for the vaccine/negative test 'passport', I strongly suspect one will be needed if we want to travel to certain countries in the future. After all, international vaccination certificates are required TODAY for things like Yellow Fever in order to enter some countries. Do I have an issue with what is proposed for the UK? I am ambivalent. I would prefer to have a fully functioning and functional Test/Trace and Isolate system first.

I know some people are trying to frame the new law as having our right to protest permanently removed, but it's not. It's to remove an excess of disruption to normal people's lives from protesters determined to cause as much hastle to people trying to get to work etc as possible.

So it's limits for instance on noise, duration of a protest, or disruption caused.

Because of Extinction Rebellion probably, who were stopping everyday citizens from geting to jobs they needed to get to etc, and set up shop for ages.

I'm fully expecting there will be riots this summer, unemployment is rising, the new police bill & there will still be some kind of restrictions if we have a third wave. People are getting to the end of their tether with being told what they can & can't do.

@noblegiraffe

Reading this thread about powerful people/organisations manipulating world events for their own ends, I had a sneaking suspicion and did a bit of googling.

Yep. There's a lot of people out there who think it's the Jews behind this.

Careful what you're reading, folks, you're bound to come across antisemitism.

It's an honour to give you my first ever biscuit in some 9 years+ of membership

@Bluntness100

It's just like Brexiters constantly claiming that Remain forecast WWIII, economic meltdown, mass starvation etc if Brexit went ahead

To be fair sone folks did predict that, who can forget the prepping threads with folks hiding tins of beans under their beds ans urging others not to tell their neighbours they had them,

The only reason we've not had food shortages is because the UK Government have decided not to yet apply the required checks on imports. That can only continue for a few months though. Looks at what's happened to our exports to the EU - where the new protocols are being applied and trade has dropped by 40% since January, and you'll see the issue. It can't be sidestepped forever. Nobody said people would starve and hiding beans is madness (although I presume a sarcastic comment). However, a problem with obtaining fresh fruit and vegetables etc in desired quantities is highly likely when the Brexit deal, such as it is, is implemented in full.

Anyway, not the point of the thread. But needed pointing out because it was one of those comments like "oh yeah like the Millenium bug" as if that wasn't an actual problem that software engineers had to spend millions of hours fixing to prevent what would have happened otherwise. Sadly, politicians in the UK seem to have neither that level of expertise or work ethic in their chosen field.

@LemonSherbetFancies

So many talking about how this is the great reset, how this doesn't stop until we say it does and how we are never coming out of lockdown etc. Think they are going to feel a bit stupid over the coming weeks!

Mind explaining what "the great reset" is meant to be? Sounds like something a religion or cult would make up.

🙋🏻‍♀️ I feel really silly. Silly for drinking too much wine and eating too much chocolate over lockdown. No idea what that reset thing is you’re talking about.

@FlossieTeacakesFurCoat18

I can't believe how many people on this thread a) haven't heard a single person mention "the great reset" conspiracy theory and b) can't be bothered to put it into the search box on either twitter or YouTube to see how many people are engaging with it

Which would make it come up more on google, if more people keep googling it. Counterproductive.

@Ohnomoreno

I think the mistake many people make when looking at how bad regimes come about is to assume that the intention was always malevolent from the start. I doubt it was. I think the government have the intention of reassuring a public they have successfully terrified, and passports/vaccine ID schemes are a way to unlock the 70-80% of consumers who may otherwise carry on hiding away at home.

The reason I oppose the idea is because I think the best intentions can lead to terrible outcomes. The Bolsheviks probably did want to improve conditions for Russian peasants. The GDR believed it was on the right side of history, then ran into a few financial difficultirs, and realised that asking citizens to pay on each other was the best way of maintaining their little fiction. Governments are only benevolent if you have control of them. We currently do not have any levers at all, because no one who opposes this will want to lend their vote to the identitarian left either. The lack of real opposition, the restrictions on parliamentary debate, the suppression of protest, these are issues that will haunt us long after covid is forgotten.

I do agree with this absolutely. None of this post is conspiracy, it's historical analysis of factual events and reoccurring patterns. It is a MASSIVE problem that few adults seem to grasp history and its implications for the present.

It is a MASSIVE problem that few adults seem to grasp history and its implications for the present.

Yep, but at least Boris says we can all go and have a pint in a pub garden on 12th April. Yay. That's something, right?