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People are going to start feeling a bit silly

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LemonSherbetFancies · 05/04/2021 13:20

So many talking about how this is the great reset, how this doesn't stop until we say it does and how we are never coming out of lockdown etc.
Think they are going to feel a bit stupid over the coming weeks!

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CautiousBlonde · 07/04/2021 05:20

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SakuraEdenSwan1 · 07/04/2021 05:39

@LemonSherbetFancies

So many talking about how this is the great reset, how this doesn't stop until we say it does and how we are never coming out of lockdown etc. Think they are going to feel a bit stupid over the coming weeks!
The information is freely available on the World Economic Forums website, I think you will look silly after this.
DdraigGoch · 07/04/2021 06:24

Why have they brought in the bill not being allowed to protest, what is their justification for this?
Because some jet-setters glued themselves to trains and pissed a lot of people off.

BonnieDundee · 07/04/2021 06:32

@BonnieDundeeWhat is their justification for the permanent removal of it? Has it gone ahead yet? (Excuse my ignorance, not in the U.K. and only caught snippets of it) surely this will be debated by other mp’s

Their justification is that it will stop protest groups creating chaos. It is still going through parliament

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56400751

RichardMarxisinnocent · 07/04/2021 06:58

tiredofitall99
Eventually if I want to do my job that requires international travel, if I want to take my son to the cinema etc I MUST provide 'evidence' that I've had an MRNA injection. Whilst nobody is holding me down just yet, in order to provide for my family and keep a home I will be forced to take an injection...

Who is saying you must do this? And why only evidence of the mRNA vaccines? Surely for a vaccine passport type thing any vaccine is sufficient? As I said you can't generally choose which vaccine you get so what if you turn up to the appointment and they're giving AZ or another non-mRNA vaccine that day?

Is anyone able to answer this that I asked yesterday please?

snoodle1 · 07/04/2021 07:02

[quote dividedwefall]@TheCountessofFitzdotterel it isn't the fastest way to get the economy moving again though. That's just what you've been told. The quickest way would be to drop all restrictions, today, and get back to normal.[/quote]
Like they did in Brazil you mean? Have you seen what’s going on there right now?

TheReluctantPhoenix · 07/04/2021 07:27

I am so surprised by this thread on MN, it is like stumbling on to a strange corner of reddit.

The pandemic found out a big flaw in the west’s lazy libertarianism: we don’t care about one another or society.

In the Eastern democracies, it would be unheard of for someone to not wear a mask with a circulating illness. The idea of prioritising one’s own petty wants (not ‘rights’ or needs) over others’ health and lives would lead to ostracism.

We have replaced our churches and community clubs with gyms and coffee shops, temples to the new gods of narcissism and social capital. Of course, these are only affordable to about half the population and heavily tiered, with membership of an ‘exclusive’ gym and a personal ‘trainer’ (not that people generally are actually training, but just trying to look good) being signs of success.

The current wailings and gnashing of teeth is the resentment of the upper middle classes against the real elite for whom travel, personal training etc still continue in gyms at home and private jets. It is not nice to be made to feel just like one of the masses again.

Of course, trying to control the disease is a low priority if you are young, live in a detached house and can pretty much choose where to work or the risks to take. Many also know that they will, by hook or by crook, access excellent medical care if they do get sick and have the time and money to keep themselves in excellent physical shape.

Meanwhile, in tenement blocks in areas where most here won’t even have heard of, COVID can run rife through populations already vulnerable through ‘pre-existing conditions’, basically having lived a hard life.

The vaccination programme is a modern ‘miracle’ of great minds pulling together for the good of humanity. Again, you can criticise it for its imperfections, but we will probably vaccinate humanity within 5-10 years.

If there is a conspiracy, it is the constant protection of the asset rich against natural asset falls and the increasing crony capitalism that we are seeing. And, for that to continue, we need to have the bread and circuses to keep the middle classes happy. We need retail therapy, gyms and dining to be open and, of course, plenty of professional sport. COVID is a massive inconvenience for your average crony, people have too much time on their hands to examine what is actually happening.

To be honest, the conspiracy theories are balm to those who want to preserve the status quo. When everything opens up again, as it will, these can be shown to be probably wrong. And the mid level bankers, management consultants, wealthy SAHP etc will be happy and back in their boxes.

louleey · 07/04/2021 07:33

@Heyupeasterbunny

I’m so surprised so many haven’t heard of/queried the great reset plans. As a previous poster says, I think it’s dangerous to dismiss anyone questioning things as a ‘Conspiracy nut’ and tying it to obviously ridiculous musings about lizard people etc.
Absolutely. But hey if a few posters on here feel good about themselves by calling people conspiracy theorist nutters then who are we to stop them 😂 what really makes me laugh is that anyone that even so much as questions dear old Boris and their agenda then you are a nutjob: pop your mask on hold out your arm and go on your way like a good little girl There’s definitely no inbetween is there. We either sit glued to the bbc all day and believe every word we are being told or we believe the royal family are lizards 🙄 Jesus wept
LaureBerthaudMaisOui · 07/04/2021 08:17

@TheReluctantPhoenix Grin

Ranting about the Middle classes and their private jets

What you been smoking?!

pinkearedcow · 07/04/2021 08:30

This thread took an interesting turn overnight!

I'm not a particular fan of vaccine passports in a domestic setting, but I don't think they are the first step to monitoring our gin consumption from Amazon and how much chocolate we binge on etc. I also don't think that from June 21 they will be needed for clothes shopping as someone has suggested. For a system to be implemented so swiftly we would need a competent government with a robust procurement process.

RolloTomassi · 07/04/2021 08:31

In recent weeks I've started to sympathize with the conspiracy theorists - NOT because I want to, just because so many of the predictions seem to be happening, and the heavy-handed approach no longer makes any sense to me. The possible covid passport (that was previously dismissed out of hand) is a civil liberties nightmare.

But god, I would LOVE to be wrong and feel a total arse when this is all a distant memory 🙏

pinkearedcow · 07/04/2021 08:39

If there is a conspiracy, it is the constant protection of the asset rich against natural asset falls and the increasing crony capitalism that we are seeing

There is some truth in this I think, borne out by the way Jonson and co. have handed out contracts to their mates.

Pensionista · 07/04/2021 08:54

This link is by a world renound respected lawyer Reiner Fuellmech. He and others around the world are sueing the WHO for crimes against humanity and are calling it Nuremburg 2. They are at the moment preparing the papers to go ahead. It answers your questions about 'The great Reset' covid, gene therapy vac's etc. In my opinion it is one of the most important interviews since this shit show began. The interview takes around 45 minutes, so if you decide to watch it, be prepared. Please don't come back and argue if you don't watch it, as I won't engage. Otherwise I would be interested in what you think about it. jermwarfare.com/blog/reiner-fuellmich-who

Musermum · 07/04/2021 09:13

Loved this. Agreed with many of his points.

Cornettoninja · 07/04/2021 09:22

@pinkearedcow

If there is a conspiracy, it is the constant protection of the asset rich against natural asset falls and the increasing crony capitalism that we are seeing

There is some truth in this I think, borne out by the way Jonson and co. have handed out contracts to their mates.

I agree and think that @TheReluctantPhoenix made some fair observations. I didn’t detect ‘ranting’ at all personally.

There does seem to be an atmosphere of ‘jet fuel doesn’t melt steel girders’ that I recognise from recent history.... and people will still vehemently argue that now. Twenty years on. This POV isn’t going anywhere.

DdraigGoch · 07/04/2021 09:27

@Pensionista is there a transcript with edited highlights? I haven't got 45 minutes of my life to waste when it could be more usefully employed listening to Jehovah's Witnesses.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 07/04/2021 09:43

‘He and others around the world are sueing the WHO for crimes against humanity and are calling it Nuremburg 2.’

Way to lose credibility in one easy sentence.

majesticallyawkward · 07/04/2021 10:17

@Pensionista
I listened to it, honestly though they lost me in the billet points just below the interview. Reiner Fuellmech is a very articulate and intelligent person, I respect what he is doing however the message is conspiracy theory heavy. I will caveat this with I am not an expert in any of the relevant fields but I am an reasonably intelligent person and have taken interest in the developments around Covid.

Some of the claims are, or could be, like the flawed PCR tests.
Fine, I get that the tests aren't great. False positives/negatives are possible, asymptotic cases are still not fully understood. But to claim Covid-19 doesn't exist is too far, the genome has been mapped, there is a clear correlation between infection rates and deaths. The actual mortality rate of CV-19 isn't as clear cut as 'oh it's no worse than flu', it's fairly low but still higher than flu with the potential to be a lot higher had there not been action taken to suppress infections.

I'm not a supporter of lockdowns, nor do I agree with the way the pandemic has been handled. But to claim the virus doesn't exist is not rational.

The vaccine being rushed is paraded out too often, traditionally vaccines are held up for years waiting for funding which was not the case with the Covid vaccine so the timeline was reduced in a way not seen before with a huge global effort. It does raise the question why has it not been the case with other vaccines or treatments- PKU for example where adults in the UK are not eligible for an effective treatment.

The argument goes too far either way, there has to be a middle ground where the people in power are held accountable and affects of restrictions are kept to minimum levels.

I will be following this legal action, it will be interesting to see what the rulings are and how it progresses.

dividedwefall · 07/04/2021 10:22

@TheReluctantPhoenix your post doesn't explain away any of the anomalous behaviour witnessed by our government and others over the past year.

It is perfectly reasonable to think that the responses and ongoing restrictions, perhaps even permanent removal of liberties for non-compliant citizens, is justified in the name of a pandemic. This is the mainstream response, the response required and the response duly provided by seemingly the majority.

It's not middle class resentment of the upper classes you are witnessing. It is rational, thinking, intelligent people saying that events don't match the evidence. I don't agree with your analysis of this conversation at all. It just seem so contrived and unrealistic, with virtually no evidence to back it up. Like all of these attempts to smear people who ask questions, it is designed to belittle and ridicule genuine concerns.

TheReluctantPhoenix · 07/04/2021 10:29

@dividedwefall,

You still have shown zero evidence as why on Earth a conservative government who wants to be supported and re elected would want to reduce our freedom to enjoy ourselves. Makes zero sense.

noblegiraffe · 07/04/2021 10:39

It's an honour to give you my first ever biscuit in some 9 years+ of membership Biscuit

Well just look at the state of this thread. Microchips in vaccines? Sorry, I mean the 'digitalise the MRNA injection evidence'. It's just microchips in vaccines trying to duck under the conspiracy bullshit radar.

And your post That's the one thing I find difficult to explain because world leaders have never all gone along with the same thing at the same time ever. There are many possibilities. Threats, like in Utopia. Promise of financial rewards or jobs if they just implement this or that. Or maybe more innocent - that they have signed up to a global pact that they think is good for humanity if not for the individual.

World leaders all going along with the same thing? Well they're clearly not, are they? What are you on about?
Promise of financial rewards or jobs if they just implement this.....promise by who? A group of people who are secretly running the world and manipulating world leaders? Well that's a famous conspiracy theory isn't it. Track it back to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. It keeps coming up in various forms, but when you dig deeper, you'll always find references to Rothschilds, or more recently Soros.

www.thejc.com/news/uk/new-report-warns-that-79-of-anti-vaccination-networks-host-jew-hate-1.507742

A NEW report has called for the government to urgently tackle a “resurgence of antisemitism” within the fast growing anti-vaccination movement....Alarmingly, the document’s analysis of 27 leading anti-vaxxer networks operating on Facebook and Twitter found that antisemitic content was present in 79 per cent of them....This included the social media network set up to support the leading activist promoting the “Covid-19 hoax” theory, Piers Corbyn — the brother of the former Labour Party leader.

dividedwefall · 07/04/2021 10:42

@noblegiraffe I am sorry but you are the one extrapolating an innocent statement into zionist lizard licking conspiracies. Not me.

TheReluctantPhoenix · 07/04/2021 10:43

@noblegiraffe,

Nice to see someone who actually understands data and evidence on this left-of-field thread.

dividedwefall · 07/04/2021 10:44

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@noblegiraffe,

Nice to see someone who actually understands data and evidence on this left-of-field thread.[/quote]
Grin

Aye, the data you want to understand. Dismiss anything that makes you feel uncomfortable.

TheReluctantPhoenix · 07/04/2021 10:47

@dividedwefall,

What actual data sets are you looking at that are leading you down the path you are taking?

Because your argument seems awfully short on data abs awfully long on strange links and hyperbole.

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