Covid has just been forgotten about then?

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My in-laws are acting like it's all disappeared over night.

Travelling to london, going out for lunches and dinners in people's houses etc.

They're vaccinated now so I suppose they don't mind.

They've all but invited themselves around to ours in a couple of weeks time!

Chile is a disturbing situation - they have vaccinated more than the UK

I don’t think that’s correct. It’s 20 something percent.

I also feel that conflict others are expressing! - not breaking rules myself, but when I saw about the outdoor rave in Herefordshire this weekend, I do feel a bit that maybe they could just get in with it. Just a bit...

No, it's about 56%

Brainwave89

It is interesting that people at the young end of the age group were asked to give up their lives effectively to protect those in later life. The compliance was high and the cost was tremendous. Now the over 60s 70s and 80s are vaccinated there does seem to be an attitude amongst this group which runs along the lines of sod you, I am vaccinated an no longer at risk, and I will do what I bloody well want...mmm makes you think doesn't it?

I was thinking this. It’s the same with climate change too.

I think the reason lockdown and restrictions are easing slowly is because the lower we get the rate, the less chance of a mutation that the vaccine isn’t effective against. So that’s why we still need to avoid mixing indoors whether we are vaccinated or not. There is still a risk of catching it but just not getting it so badly - but still high risk of mutations.

Where cases have risen recently it’s been traced back to indoor mixing.

Going to work is essential, meeting socially indoors isn’t. We could end up with a vaccine resistant strain and another harsh lockdown if we all start mixing normally indoors. It’s not a given, but it’s a strong possibility.

@millenialblush

New variants ffs. Using that as an argument to stay at home means we could be in lockdown forever.

They've nothing else to bleat on about. First it was there won't be a vaccine, then it was the vaccines won't work, now it's ooh variants. They just want to justify their utter selfishness. Expecting perfect strangers to sacrifice their whole lives because they are irrational and afraid.

We don't live in Chile. And lockdowns only work if people continue to comply with them because let's face it, the Tories have defunded a lot of public services, including law enforcement, there just isn't the manpower to police all these citizens for mixing indoors.

But anyhhing could happen. Life is uncertain. We need to take reasonable precautions and live our lives but not live half lives full of fear.

No, it's about 56%

With what vaccine?

Focusing on which risk profile?

How does that square with data from Israel?

Because if Chile have vaxxed more than 50% of their most vulnerable population with a high efficacy vaccine, then we’ll have to conclude the vaccines aren’t working and it’s all bets off with regards to policy. Many were prepared to lockdown further until the vaccines arrived, but that doesn’t apply indefinitely.

Good for them

[quote AndromedaGal]@Armi

Sorry but some ppl are hiding under the duvet, terrified to resume any semblance of normality - take the pp up thread whose uncle was in tears because he was scared to meet up with the kids in case they caught it. I’m not saying everyone experiences this level of fear but some are, and it’s ruining their lives. It’s very sad[/quote]
But the vast majority aren’t. Calling those who follow rules as people who ‘hide under the duvet’ is just unpleasant sneering.

I don't know all that detail! I had to go look it up - Pfizer and Sinotec. About a sixth of the population have had both doses.

They've had their highest number of cases per 24 hours than at any other point, so locking down again.

I do think we need to live as normally as possible, but another couple of months would see a much higher level of protection in the population at large, with the 40pluses covered too; I appreciate many people have had more than enough though at this stage.

They've had their highest number of cases per 24 hours than at any other point, so locking down again.

Cases arent the crucial point. Hospitalisations and deaths are. There will, of course, be lots more cases. With the most vulnerable vaxxed, the crucial numbers will go down.

@UrAWizHarry my understanding is that when the scientists come up with the rules/guidance they factor in a certain percentage of non-compliance in their risk assessment.

As can be seen from this thread alone a number of people are breaking the rules.

If they changed the rules so that households could meet indoors as long as they are all vaccinated, there would be many households who would follow that to the letter. And again there would be others who would ignore it, but they possibly thought too many would flout it to mean that it would be too risky. As at the moment, people are probably conscious that if they have a number of people round their house, it will be obvious that they are possibly breaking the rules. Whereas if a reasonable amount of the population can meet up, it is much easier to hide the fact you are breaking the rules.

The reason it will be safer in the next few weeks, is that the scientists again will be looking at the population as a whole, not individual families. So that more people will be vaccinated so hopefully we will be at the percentage vaccinated we need for herd immunity to kick in.

If we could rely on more people being sensible then we probably wouldn't need the rules we have.

Isn't that how Sweden partly managed without an official lockdown because the majority of people recognised what they needed to do to help reduce the spread of the virus, without having to have rules in place. Whereas in this country it seems to be a national pastime to work out how to flout the rules.

Yes, it's cases and deaths there. The deaths are the concerning part.

The awareness of the cases rising has driven the govt to lock down, as they fear the hospitalisations and deaths that may follow.

@BiarritzCrackers

I don't know all that detail! I had to go look it up - Pfizer and Sinotec. About a sixth of the population have had both doses.

They've had their highest number of cases per 24 hours than at any other point, so locking down again.

I do think we need to live as normally as possible, but another couple of months would see a much higher level of protection in the population at large, with the 40pluses covered too; I appreciate many people have had more than enough though at this stage.

Yes, it's been "just another couple of months" for a year now Three weeks to protect the nhs Normality by Christmas When the vaccines have been rolled out Forget Christmas and look forward to a normal easter But what about new variants?

Let’s not forget that what the OPs parents are suggesting is not an illegal rave, but meeting small groups of family, which has never been illegal in most countries.

Great news, I didn’t want to carry on living like this forever anyway did you?!

Yes, it's cases and deaths there. The deaths are the concerning part.

Presumably they’ve opened up more quickly than Israel then, or they haven’t got the dosing strategy down as well as they have, as this is a totally different story to what they’ve seen,

Or the government is panicking about high case numbers, which almost certainly won’t be as serious among young and healthy people.

Please please remember pregnant women cannot be vaccinated and take care around them if you are going to relax your Covid precautions.

Of course prgnnt women can be vaccinated

I've been the most Covid compliant person on the planet for the last 12 months but I am completely at the 'fuck this shit' point. I'm having family over next weekend and I'm fucked if I'm sitting outside in the freezing cold. We've all been vaccinated except my daughter who is doing twice weekly tests. Have had enough now. People need to start living again.

I’m a pregnant woman, I am having the vaccine. Pregnant women can be vaccinated if they are offered, if they decide to. Please don’t spread misinformation.

Yep, all these, "it will be okay when..." messages have been really unhelpful. Much as I dislike this government, trust in leadership is important for a cohesive society, and every time things don't work out as hoped for, it's chipping away at that. Realistic messages are important.

So I guess there are questions to ask ourselves about how we want to live. People are answering that to some degree, in their behaviour.

ineedaholidaynow posted

"And most of us aren’t enjoying this @SmidgenofaPigeon, but want to do their bit to ensure this virus can be contained.

My son is in Y11 and it has been a horrible year for him, but I would rather people stuck to the rules so bubbles didn’t have to keep bursting in schools to give kids a chance that they can finally have some proper time in school."

I agree so much with what you have said. I am not worried about children getting really ill with it due to their age (ideally vulnerable and most teachers would be vaccinated-I would priority group teachers if only to keep schools open for the exam cohort). It is the threat of schools closing yet again so the children cannot demonstrate what they can do and get fair assessments that worries me.

Thank you @Armi . Someone else seeing what I'm seeing on here.

@LucilleTheVampireBat another example of these increasingly unpleasant sneering posts.