Covid has just been forgotten about then?

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My in-laws are acting like it's all disappeared over night.

Travelling to london, going out for lunches and dinners in people's houses etc.

They're vaccinated now so I suppose they don't mind.

They've all but invited themselves around to ours in a couple of weeks time!

So I can sit in an office with 15 other people for 10 hours a day but I can'y sit in my parents conservatory on opposite sides of the room or have a friend round for a glass of wine (or 8) and sit on chairs more than a metre apart - really?

I've done all of those things and made sure we kept a distance. In fact Im further apart from my friends/family than the people around me at work

Theres been so much damage done to mental health in the past 12 months, if meeting others with some amount of risk control in place does people good then fair play to them
No one forcing anybody kicking and screaming to meet up or go out if they choose not to

@UrAWizHarry but they have not distinguished the law between people who have been vaccinated and those who haven’t. If they did there would be an outcry especially as it would probably mean compulsory COVID passports and everyone complaining that the youth were being shafted again for the elderly.

Hopefully more and more people do this or we'll never recover !

At last people are seeing sense.

Vaccinated people very unlikely to get sick with it or transmit it. It was always farcical that the government expected vaccinated peopled would stay locked down.

Good for them.

It is interesting that people at the young end of the age group were asked to give up their lives effectively to protect those in later life. The compliance was high and the cost was tremendous. Now the over 60s 70s and 80s are vaccinated there does seem to be an attitude amongst this group which runs along the lines of sod you, I am vaccinated an no longer at risk, and I will do what I bloody well want...mmm makes you think doesn't it?

[quote ineedaholidaynow]@UrAWizHarry but they have not distinguished the law between people who have been vaccinated and those who haven’t. If they did there would be an outcry especially as it would probably mean compulsory COVID passports and everyone complaining that the youth were being shafted again for the elderly.[/quote]
So has it dawned on you yet that the public and their interpretation of guidance/law is not the problem here? It is the ridiculous false statements, u-turns and lies from government and their scientists.

When nothing makes sense people have no choice but to make executive, adult decisions for themselves and their families.

[quote ineedaholidaynow]@UrAWizHarry but they have not distinguished the law between people who have been vaccinated and those who haven’t. If they did there would be an outcry especially as it would probably mean compulsory COVID passports and everyone complaining that the youth were being shafted again for the elderly.[/quote]
But they could. In terms of private residences we don't need passports. In public that is a different matter as, of course, you can't trust the couple on the table next to you at the cafe to be telling the truth or not.

Indoors though, I can control who comes into my house, and I know whether they are sick, whether they have had COVID or whether they are vaccinated. So why can't the guidance to say "if you have been vaccinated, you can visit other vaccinated people indoors". And what difference will waiting a few weeks to do that make now?

I bet most people who are currently meeting indoors haven’t all been fully vaccinated. Especially if there are children in the mix.

Good for them!!! I've seen close family members throughout this whole thing and we have all been fine - use of common sense, keeping a small bubble. Not seeing your mum for a year is bonkers to me!!

Can't answer the question, can you?

[quote dividedwefall]@LadyDanburysCane we see a lot of weird analogies on this topic but yours wins today. I don't get your point at all.

Vaccinated people are saying 'vaccines are effective. the scientists are saying so. so I can socialise because I am no risk to anyone, least of all myself'

Lock down fans are saying that vaccinated people must not meet other people because they can still spread the disease and get sick themselves.

Maybe when we have consensus on reality we'll have consensus on appropriate social behaviour.[/quote]
So “choosing” to break the rules because vaccines are safe (as shown by science) and you’re no risk to anyone is different to if I “choose” to drive at 80mph because my car is safe and the speed is safe (as shown by other countries).

The fact is that the rules are made for our safety and should be followed.

Is it necessary to refer to those of us continuing to behave according to the rules and guidance as lockdown fans ?

That's the sort of unpleasant mocking and sneering that's becoming all too prevalent on here lately.

The risk is that if the general public are given an inch they take a mile. Myself included. If my aunt and uncle could visit my parents in their house as they're all vaccinated, it would be then very easy for me to justify doing thr same. Yes I'm unvaccinated but a low risk and I'd be willing to take it. Etc etc.

@Remmy123

Good for them!!! I've seen close family members throughout this whole thing and we have all been fine - use of common sense, keeping a small bubble. Not seeing your mum for a year is bonkers to me!!

I agree. Its downright cruel the way families have been kept apart.

I've seen my parents a few times and always made sure we sat on opposite sides of the room and ensured no contact.

Well as someone who is not an arbitrary rule follower then I disagree. Challenging silly rules, breaking them, pushing the boundaries of them - all normal. Especially when the rules are totalitarian and not backed up by rational science.

PS plenty of people drive at 80mph using the speed limit +10% +2mph rule. Have done for years. Then there are those that pootle along in the middle lane at 69.5mph causing chaos with their brainless over-interpretation of the rules.

I personally can't get worked up about people breaking rules. We're bending a few ourselves, met up in a group of ten from three households yesterday. Having people over in the garden but letting them in to use to loo etc. I think the risks are low and I personally think we should live alongside them while the vaccine roll out continues. However that isn't what's happening and so I will mostly adhere to the rules. But can't get hung up about others choosing to bend minor rules in a different way from me.

It doesn't sound like the OP has had the vaccine though? I would have thought meeting in the garden is safer. Seems I'm in the minority from this thread though, I guess ppl have to decide what they're comfortable with.

@StealthPolarBear

I personally can't get worked up about people breaking rules. We're bending a few ourselves, met up in a group of ten from three households yesterday. Having people over in the garden but letting them in to use to loo etc. I think the risks are low and I personally think we should live alongside them while the vaccine roll out continues. However that isn't what's happening and so I will mostly adhere to the rules. But can't get hung up about others choosing to bend minor rules in a different way from me.

This 100%

@dayslikethese1

It doesn't sound like the OP has had the vaccine though? I would have thought meeting in the garden is safer. Seems I'm in the minority from this thread though, I guess ppl have to decide what they're comfortable with.

Then she can tell them what she's comfortable with. And they can do what they are comfortable with.

@StealthPolarBear

I personally can't get worked up about people breaking rules. We're bending a few ourselves, met up in a group of ten from three households yesterday. Having people over in the garden but letting them in to use to loo etc. I think the risks are low and I personally think we should live alongside them while the vaccine roll out continues. However that isn't what's happening and so I will mostly adhere to the rules. But can't get hung up about others choosing to bend minor rules in a different way from me.

Absolutely On every level No bro rule breaking going on here too.

If others do the similar but different infringement I’m not going to judge. In fact, I get a warm glow that it represents.... the seeds of normality

No bro should read...
Minor rule breaking going on here too!

Seeds of normality absolutely. I feel like that when I see groups of teens out and about. In theory I disapprove but inside I'm thinking good for you.

While I appreciate people want to mix, and the vaccinations rates are of course great news, I think the government messaging about caution is being expressed rather half heartedly, and people aren't taking it seriously.

Chile is a disturbing situation - they have vaccinated more than the UK, but the mortality rate for the last few weeks being so high there is sobering. I wouldn't want to see a lockdown here again if possible, but the vaccine is effective only in combination with other measures.

So “choosing” to break the rules because vaccines are safe (as shown by science) and you’re no risk to anyone is different to if I “choose” to drive at 80mph because my car is safe and the speed is safe (as shown by other countries).

Fgs how stupid. No one is saying that driving at 80 mph is completely safe.

We can’t make life risk free. We analyse risks and benefits and take decisions accordingly.