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Under 50s being vaccinated now

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musicalfrog · 01/04/2021 23:31

In our area, my OH is going for his AZ tomorrow and I'm ecstatic as he's the last of our immediate family to receive a vaccine. Well done NHS! Thought we'd be waiting till May!

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FlattestWhite · 05/04/2021 11:26

Is the expected decline in supply also for Pfizer? And are people being pulled in early for second Pfizer doses? And is it specifically 8 weeks or more, or can the Pfizer people be earlier? My GP is now only doing second doses, and only getting exactly the vaccine needed in order to do those; as a result, I don't think there will be much choice of day/time when we do get called, if they are only getting exactly enough to do two days' worth of people or whatever.

WombatChocolate · 05/04/2021 11:27

Frazzled, yes I don’t know either. From what I’ve heard GPs often don’t know far in advance what they will have. It is given to them by central services and not in their control.

Things are changing a bit aren’t they. Until now, almost all doses have been 1sts. Therefore any dose given has had to be replicated a few weeks on. But now we are on decent numbers if 2nd doses and those don’t need replicating a few weeks later, so giving 2nd doses is an easier and less potentially longer term problematic thing, when supply into the medium term is uncertain.

It’s hard to know if GPs have a sense of certainty of supply for 12 weeks time and therefore feel free to make some choices outside the official line, or if they are making those choices without thinking ahead or worrying about future supply. Ultimately, if it would have been given as 1st doses to over 50s or 1st dose to u dear 50s makes no odds....either of those would need a 2nd dose. And perhaps until this week, that’s where the choice has been and because it won’t impact 2nd doses they haven’t been bothered. I can see that.

However, from this week things are different. GPs are told to use any not for over 50s on 2nd doses. That does make a differnece for the future. It looks to me like they know the supply in 10-12 weeks will be lower. That means we must give fewer 1st doses now. And if GPs ignore this in bulk, there could be problems.

But I’d imagine if this is the case that supply for 10-12 weeks time is going to be severely curtailed, we will see GPs behaving differently in the next week or so and that the under 50s will dry up and we will see more 2nd doses being called in at 8-11 weeks, where there’s enough to do them as well as anyone who has reached the 12 week stage.

We don’t know what supply will be. I’m not sure GPs know either. Someone somewhere has a pretty good idea and it is their information which informs the instructions given to those jabbing. Whether the instructions being ignored matters a lot or not is unclear to me, but I hope not.

DixieLandReject · 05/04/2021 11:28

I'm 33, in the north west and I had it two weeks ago. Not sure why was offered it, at my age, but I was happy.

WombatChocolate · 05/04/2021 11:30

The NHS England advice to licensed vaccine suppliers says any doses not required for those over 50 should go first to bringing 2nd doses forward. These should not occur before 8 weeks in the advice. It is emphasised that rollout to under 50s should not happen until sites are expressly told to start.

FlattestWhite · 05/04/2021 11:33

I see, thanks. I hoped maybe the Pfizer guidance was different, given that there wasn't any data yet regarding the dose spacing, so I thought that perhaps they would be happy to go back to the 3-4 weeks+ if it meant that supplies were being used up effectively.

WombatChocolate · 05/04/2021 11:41

www.england.nhs.uk/coronavirus/wp-content/uploads/sites/52/2021/03/C1228-Vaccination-of-adult-household-contacts-of-severely-immunosuppressed_31mar.pdf

This is the letter which gives the vaccine advice for the coming week.

BellsaRinging · 05/04/2021 15:13

I really don't understand what's going on. Many here saying GPs have been told don't vaccinate under 50s till all the overs are done but I know so many in their 30s and pretty much all my friends and family in their 40s have been done, 3 this weekend! Am starting to get really anxious that I wont get done for many weeks and at 47 I am now anxious that society is starting to open up and I feel unprotected-even more so as I see people who are vaccinated being far less careful than pre-vaccination. I feel worse now than at any point in the last year. I know that's illogical, but I can't help it. I am usually very robust btw, but just feel left behind and depressed now. Feel like there's a real risk that we won't be done for a couple of months...

daisiesinmay · 05/04/2021 15:19

I feel the same BellsaRinging am 49. It's especially hard to cope when younger people who wfh, no dcs etc are telling me they've been vaccinated. I don't know what to say really. Very difficult for the 45-50s, especially being kept in the dark about what to expect. It's psychologically very hard, especially as we had been told we were next and not told there would be a massive gap

daisiesinmay · 05/04/2021 15:21

How did you get that letter WombatChocolate?

megletthesecond · 05/04/2021 15:25

yy, bells and daisies. I'm 46 and was within touching distance. But my GP cut off at 47 and is back to over 50's.

I had been popping to be supermarket as rates are low and they're quiet, but come next weeks opening up of retail and pubs I'm going back to collections. I don't have the patience to deal with large numbers while I'm not vaccinated. My risk is just going to be the DC's at school.

Frazzled2207 · 05/04/2021 15:38

@WombatChocolate
interesting letter - it does suggest I think that they might be able to open to group 10 soon they're just trying to mop up everyone else first. As a 40 something though perhaps it's just wishful thinking. Still intrigued that many places are clearly just ignoring it and pressing on with group 10 regardless.

Tealightsandd · 05/04/2021 15:44

Is anything happening with the Novovax vaccine? If that was approved we could protect more 40s.

Why do some places have so much surplus supplies that they're doing healthy 20s and 30s? Has central distribution ignored population numbers and sent everywhere, rural and large city alike, the same amount? Shouldn't they send those spares to other areas to go to 40s (or 2nd doses of these are at risk)?

Rosehip10 · 05/04/2021 15:50

Seems that many GPs are ignoring these (clear) instructions about group 10 (i.e under 50s/40s/30s). I would suggest the way to tackle this would be to withhold payment for any vaccines administed by GP practices to group 10 - you watch GPs stop doing under 40s etc then.....

Tealightsandd · 05/04/2021 16:02

I think it's not unreasonable to start on group 10 particularly upper 40s. The risk increases in the 40s. It's more unreasonable to get onto healthy 20s and 30s whilst upper 40s are still waiting in other places. I feel glad in a way that I'm in group 6. Feeling really bad for my 40s non CV friends.

Eccle80 · 05/04/2021 16:50

It is so frustrating hearing places vaccinating healthy under 40s, I can understand the roll out not being completely even, but surely there should be some kind of redistribution rather than going beyond group 10. I am really worried that supply shortages will mean they don’t officially do 40-49 for ages, and I am so anxious that the kids will bring it home. It doesn’t help that at one stage it looked like I would be in group 6, so would have been vaccinated ages ago

ChloeDecker · 05/04/2021 16:55

It doesn’t help that at one stage it looked like I would be in group 6, so would have been vaccinated ages ago

Same here. As someone with Psoriasis, I thought at the start, I would be in group 6 but nope, had that rug pulled out from under me too!

Lauren15 · 05/04/2021 16:58

@daisiesinmay

I feel the same BellsaRinging am 49. It's especially hard to cope when younger people who wfh, no dcs etc are telling me they've been vaccinated. I don't know what to say really. Very difficult for the 45-50s, especially being kept in the dark about what to expect. It's psychologically very hard, especially as we had been told we were next and not told there would be a massive gap
I feel the same and I work in a school. I can just imagine all my pupils’ families will be planning a lot of socialising over the holidays and I will be going back into school unvaccinated.
daisiesinmay · 05/04/2021 17:03

Yes that's the worry Lauren15 schools after Easter.
I've noticed among my own friends a stark difference in attitude and keenness to do things once vaccinated. I get that, but it makes it extra hard if you're a few months younger and no vaccine in sight.

ChloeDecker · 05/04/2021 17:10

Me too Lauren15. Am not looking forward to it.
There is something very wrong in this scenario.

WombatChocolate · 05/04/2021 17:55

The letter telling licensed vaccine centres what to do in the coming week is published on the NHS England website. They come out on Thursdays and are in the public domain.

It was here that the letter on 17 March was published that said no further rollout beyond phase 1 which prompted lots of news reports and Matt Hancok being questioned at the briefing of that day.

Tealightsandd · 05/04/2021 18:01

I wonder if Matt Hancock has had his? He's early 40s?

middleager · 05/04/2021 19:02

Hancock's probably got super antibodies if he's had Covid and then the jab...

There's a media silence on this issue too. Healthy teenagers (18 year olds as reported on here) Wfh, no responsibilities, being vaccinated ahead of those of us in our late 40s, working in schools, with teenagers at different schools in high risk inner city areas and ageing parents to check in on.

I'm the perfect mix for long Covid, given my age, sex and health.

ladygindiva · 10/04/2021 12:59

Jesus. Just found out my healthy 23 yo daughter ( ELondon) is having her vaccination today. Meanwhile 46 year old me and her stepdad ( Cornwall) have no word yet and cannot book on the site as it is 50s and over only. Now I'm her mum, so I'm delighted she's being done, but at the same time, what the actual f? How is this fair? Talk about a postcode lottery!!!

nordica · 10/04/2021 13:01

Do you know if your DD is being offered Pfizer or Moderna? I'm wondering if the new guidelines about no AZ for the under 30s has anything to do with vaccine allocations now...

ladygindiva · 10/04/2021 13:15

I thought the astro zeneca was most dangerous for women over 45?