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Under 50s being vaccinated now

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musicalfrog · 01/04/2021 23:31

In our area, my OH is going for his AZ tomorrow and I'm ecstatic as he's the last of our immediate family to receive a vaccine. Well done NHS! Thought we'd be waiting till May!

OP posts:
Jemma2907 · 02/04/2021 12:34

Apologies, that message above was in reply to @CorianderBee if that wasn't clear.

Redcrayons · 02/04/2021 12:49

I’m trying my best to look at the big picture, vaccines are better off in arms than in the bin and all that.
It’s a little frustrating to see yet another friend quite a few years younger than me being done, when I’m only a few months away from my 50th.

But I’m WFH, DCs are being tested twice a week at school, so it’s a low risk.

Helbelle75 · 02/04/2021 12:58

I'm 45, in Lincolnshire, and had a letter to say I was eligible as I was a carer for someone who was vulnerable. DD3 has had several hospitalisations for viral wheeze, so that makes sense.
DH is 46 and had a text from the GP yesterday to book in, I'm assuming as they're down to our age group now. My BIL is 53 and had his 3 weeks ago.
I was very surprised and pleased (teacher due back to work after mat leave), as I thought we'd be waiting until May.

CorianderBee · 02/04/2021 13:37

@BentBastard

Coriander he's not quite fat enough and not quite asthmatic enough for group 6 and GP won't even take vaccine related calls.

We just have to be patient. Cases are low in our area and he works from home. I freely admit I am more anxious about it than risk probably required s but I have a lot of horrid shit going on at the moment so it's all magnified.

Sorry to hear that. Hopefully they'll get to him speedily x
musicalfrog · 02/04/2021 13:38

Sorry to all those still waiting and feeling frustrated. I posted this to give hope really, as it came completely out of the blue for us. I really didn't expect it until May so I'm just super impressed. Yes it's GP based in our situation but the more people who get done now, the fewer people need done in the future which will speed up everyone's appointments right? To the pp suggesting I'm showing off - I'm really not! I believe that every person vaccinated is a bonus for all of us, whatever age they are.

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MarshaBradyo · 02/04/2021 13:40

That’s good

Would really like to hear from GP too

middleager · 02/04/2021 13:48

I'm 48, DH, 47, no sign of it here, although neighbouring surgery's done 40+

ChloeDecker · 02/04/2021 13:49

Yes it's GP based in our situation but the more people who get done now, the fewer people need done in the future which will speed up everyone's appointments right?

Your heading title though raised expectations and I then was disappointed though, which was a tad unfair Grin

Not sure about this logic either (not having a go though)
Wondering how others the same age or younger than me getting the vaccine now in other parts of the country, with potential shortages happening right now, will mean I get the vaccine quicker. If the supply runs out because those working from home, are younger or those claiming to be carers have had the existing supply instead, surely it’s the opposite? They and you will be needing second doses as priority before I’ll get it in London probably!

middleager · 02/04/2021 13:55

I must admit, the thread title raised my expectations too, along with another poster who said under 50s could now book online on the national system (when actually I think they mean NI).

sansou · 02/04/2021 14:03

49 here and nothing yet.

User27aw · 02/04/2021 14:03

@ChloeDecker

Yes it's GP based in our situation but the more people who get done now, the fewer people need done in the future which will speed up everyone's appointments right?

Your heading title though raised expectations and I then was disappointed though, which was a tad unfair Grin

Not sure about this logic either (not having a go though)
Wondering how others the same age or younger than me getting the vaccine now in other parts of the country, with potential shortages happening right now, will mean I get the vaccine quicker. If the supply runs out because those working from home, are younger or those claiming to be carers have had the existing supply instead, surely it’s the opposite? They and you will be needing second doses as priority before I’ll get it in London probably!

I agree. If there werent the supply problems then presumably it would have moved onto the 45 to 49s this week or next. But as there are major supply problems, the end result of the 30 and early 40 years being called when they shouldnt be means that it wont officially move down the age band sooner as the supplies we do have are being used up on younger people.
WombatChocolate · 02/04/2021 14:09

On one level I agree about having a co-ordinated response to left over vaccines. However, on another I think the system has been co-ordinated on a macro level pretty heavily and at the final stages of the last couple of doses in a vial, local vaccinators need to respond to local circumstances to get them used up - contacting schools or working down GP lists makes sense.

A fair and age based system is essentially in place. However within that system, people fail to show up and sometimes less people book for a particular site than expected and there are some surplus vaccines. As this is often only known in the day, speedy and agile responses are needed and lots of bureaucracy of how this must be dealt with will lead to wastage.

It isn’t entirely fair that some people can get to a pharmacy who has 2 diesels left at the end of the day, within 10 mins of a call and others can’t. Some won’t live near enough and some not have the flexibility to get there so fast even if they join a list. And that’s why much of the using up of the last few doses is handled on a daily basis and not a planned ahead basis. If you run a comprehensive list, at a certain time you have to decide there will be some spares and start ringing people. Some will have said they would be available but on that day won’t answer the phone or be able to get there in time. If there are strict ordering criteria then you might go through several or many people before someone is found who can come......and this has happened in lots of places. It’s time consuming and not meant to be the focus of the vaccinating services. Some people say it’s not convenient. Or they prefer another location or whatever.

With spare vaccine we are usually talking about less than 5 doses....so less than in a full unopened vial. Being able to respond to the odd person who appears near closing time and who is actually there with an arm proffered, or someone who calls and will be there in 10 minutes and not after closing time or asking you to hold it for them tomorrow or if they can come tomorrow instead, means it gets used and time isn’t wasted. It’s that balance between time and resources devoted to using those last doses in the very fairest way and simply ensuring they go into someone’s arm.

As we go further down the ages, in some areas, fewer people will take the jab. In areas of hesitancy it is possible to whizz to younger groups because people in the older groups don’t take it up even after a couple of offers (and they will keep being offered) ....so there are regional and district disparities which feel unfair. On a personal level, some people feel really cross to know a 35 year old had theirs 3 miles away but they at 47 haven’t been offered it. The thing is the system can’t be as nuanced and perfect in its ordering as that. People don’t instantly book nearly as fast as you’d imagine and it is impossible to know the exact take up rates in different areas until they happen. And the jab must still me used up.

In 4 months time, none of us will be saying ‘I had to wait an extra 3 weeks than my 36 year old colleague even though I’m 10 years older’ even though it feels so important now. Essentially a very carefully co-ordinated and run system is happening which is very ordered and allows hundreds of thousands to be jabbed every day, roughly in priority order. Some are out of priority order and that is the sacrifice for speed. And it’s so worth it on a bigger picture level as it’s worth having some people jabbed sooner or later than their position in the so-called queue suggests if it means more people can be done overall faster.

It is frustrating when you’re waiting when you hear others have had it before you and are younger and you have no idea how to access it or when it’s coming. But all the upper 40s can be confident they will be the next group it opens to and it won’t be long in the wider scheme. No-one is directly conspiring against them but there is some element of luck in terms of exactly where you live and which GP you’re registered at, which can make a difference of a couple or few weeks, especially at the moment. The system isn’t perfect and to imagine it will be or that the tweaks people want for reserve lists etc to make it entirely fair and accessible for all, but their nature would add cumbersome procedures to the system, slowing its whole key feature of speed.

Some people would rather the queue were an exact one and that the person below them doesn’t get invited until they have had it. If t worked like that we’d still be on about person 100 as there are always things holding it up, people not taking the offer or failing to turn up. We cannot wait for all of them before the next person is offered and so the order gets a little mixed up. It’s unavoidable.

Perhaps they will look back at this official lime in not giving it to under 50s yet and say that was an error as so many areas do seem to be unofficially doing it now anyway. Or perhaps it’s not as many as we think. We know vaccine available for 1st dose is going to be small for a while. Perhaps they don’t want to open the floodgates and not be able to meet demand.

And lastly, when Hancock says no weeks without 1st doses in April, remember that doesn’t have to mean 40s. Lots of all age groups haven’t had their jabs still. People have been hesitant in all age groups or no-shows or just slow to book. The mop up of every single age group is an ongoing thing and all of them are first jabs. It would be nice to think upper 40s could be offered it alongside those people too, but perhaps there are other supply issues we don’t know about meaning they really don’t feel they can officially open Phase 2 yet. It’s hard to know why it can’t just be 49s or 49s and 48s and done very gradually to stop the floodgates if demand opening. Who knows really.

KatherineJaneway · 02/04/2021 14:14

In our area they are behind anyway but they did an open call for anyone who had been previously invited and didn't take it up or was a carer and eligible.

Looks like May for me Sad

ChloeDecker · 02/04/2021 14:32

contacting schools or working down GP lists makes sense.

I wish more contacted local schools to be honest, selfish to say that, I know. Our two local ones when I asked, said they were not allowed to. Or factories, warehouse workers etc. Supermarket staff, working alongside many others and not able to work from home. It’s hard mentally working daily in schools if you are unvaccinated currently, knowing those working from home and not CEV are. It’s hard knowing that people have lied to get the vaccine because they went unchecked.

In 4 months time, none of us will be saying ‘I had to wait an extra 3 weeks than my 36 year old colleague even though I’m 10 years older’ even though it feels so important now.

I think I will never forget the feeling of being unvaccinated and having to work in supporting testing with school children, being bunched up with older teenagers in corridors, break time spaces and smaller classrooms (grateful for masks now but newspapers are saying this is going after Easter) and dealing with nose bleeds etc and not being acknowledged as a public carer role, and yet lollipop people and life coaches are and have been able to be vaccinated for months now.

It’s my personal issue to deal with though (I know I sound like a whiny teacher and I’m sorry for that too) and I do understand nothing is perfect but I won’t apologise for thinking that there could have been a fairer way.

Jemma2907 · 02/04/2021 14:32

@WombatChocolate

On one level I agree about having a co-ordinated response to left over vaccines. However, on another I think the system has been co-ordinated on a macro level pretty heavily and at the final stages of the last couple of doses in a vial, local vaccinators need to respond to local circumstances to get them used up - contacting schools or working down GP lists makes sense.

A fair and age based system is essentially in place. However within that system, people fail to show up and sometimes less people book for a particular site than expected and there are some surplus vaccines. As this is often only known in the day, speedy and agile responses are needed and lots of bureaucracy of how this must be dealt with will lead to wastage.

It isn’t entirely fair that some people can get to a pharmacy who has 2 diesels left at the end of the day, within 10 mins of a call and others can’t. Some won’t live near enough and some not have the flexibility to get there so fast even if they join a list. And that’s why much of the using up of the last few doses is handled on a daily basis and not a planned ahead basis. If you run a comprehensive list, at a certain time you have to decide there will be some spares and start ringing people. Some will have said they would be available but on that day won’t answer the phone or be able to get there in time. If there are strict ordering criteria then you might go through several or many people before someone is found who can come......and this has happened in lots of places. It’s time consuming and not meant to be the focus of the vaccinating services. Some people say it’s not convenient. Or they prefer another location or whatever.

With spare vaccine we are usually talking about less than 5 doses....so less than in a full unopened vial. Being able to respond to the odd person who appears near closing time and who is actually there with an arm proffered, or someone who calls and will be there in 10 minutes and not after closing time or asking you to hold it for them tomorrow or if they can come tomorrow instead, means it gets used and time isn’t wasted. It’s that balance between time and resources devoted to using those last doses in the very fairest way and simply ensuring they go into someone’s arm.

As we go further down the ages, in some areas, fewer people will take the jab. In areas of hesitancy it is possible to whizz to younger groups because people in the older groups don’t take it up even after a couple of offers (and they will keep being offered) ....so there are regional and district disparities which feel unfair. On a personal level, some people feel really cross to know a 35 year old had theirs 3 miles away but they at 47 haven’t been offered it. The thing is the system can’t be as nuanced and perfect in its ordering as that. People don’t instantly book nearly as fast as you’d imagine and it is impossible to know the exact take up rates in different areas until they happen. And the jab must still me used up.

In 4 months time, none of us will be saying ‘I had to wait an extra 3 weeks than my 36 year old colleague even though I’m 10 years older’ even though it feels so important now. Essentially a very carefully co-ordinated and run system is happening which is very ordered and allows hundreds of thousands to be jabbed every day, roughly in priority order. Some are out of priority order and that is the sacrifice for speed. And it’s so worth it on a bigger picture level as it’s worth having some people jabbed sooner or later than their position in the so-called queue suggests if it means more people can be done overall faster.

It is frustrating when you’re waiting when you hear others have had it before you and are younger and you have no idea how to access it or when it’s coming. But all the upper 40s can be confident they will be the next group it opens to and it won’t be long in the wider scheme. No-one is directly conspiring against them but there is some element of luck in terms of exactly where you live and which GP you’re registered at, which can make a difference of a couple or few weeks, especially at the moment. The system isn’t perfect and to imagine it will be or that the tweaks people want for reserve lists etc to make it entirely fair and accessible for all, but their nature would add cumbersome procedures to the system, slowing its whole key feature of speed.

Some people would rather the queue were an exact one and that the person below them doesn’t get invited until they have had it. If t worked like that we’d still be on about person 100 as there are always things holding it up, people not taking the offer or failing to turn up. We cannot wait for all of them before the next person is offered and so the order gets a little mixed up. It’s unavoidable.

Perhaps they will look back at this official lime in not giving it to under 50s yet and say that was an error as so many areas do seem to be unofficially doing it now anyway. Or perhaps it’s not as many as we think. We know vaccine available for 1st dose is going to be small for a while. Perhaps they don’t want to open the floodgates and not be able to meet demand.

And lastly, when Hancock says no weeks without 1st doses in April, remember that doesn’t have to mean 40s. Lots of all age groups haven’t had their jabs still. People have been hesitant in all age groups or no-shows or just slow to book. The mop up of every single age group is an ongoing thing and all of them are first jabs. It would be nice to think upper 40s could be offered it alongside those people too, but perhaps there are other supply issues we don’t know about meaning they really don’t feel they can officially open Phase 2 yet. It’s hard to know why it can’t just be 49s or 49s and 48s and done very gradually to stop the floodgates if demand opening. Who knows really.

Very well put @WombatChocolate
TwoTypesOfStock · 02/04/2021 14:34

@WombatChocolate

On one level I agree about having a co-ordinated response to left over vaccines. However, on another I think the system has been co-ordinated on a macro level pretty heavily and at the final stages of the last couple of doses in a vial, local vaccinators need to respond to local circumstances to get them used up - contacting schools or working down GP lists makes sense.

A fair and age based system is essentially in place. However within that system, people fail to show up and sometimes less people book for a particular site than expected and there are some surplus vaccines. As this is often only known in the day, speedy and agile responses are needed and lots of bureaucracy of how this must be dealt with will lead to wastage.

It isn’t entirely fair that some people can get to a pharmacy who has 2 diesels left at the end of the day, within 10 mins of a call and others can’t. Some won’t live near enough and some not have the flexibility to get there so fast even if they join a list. And that’s why much of the using up of the last few doses is handled on a daily basis and not a planned ahead basis. If you run a comprehensive list, at a certain time you have to decide there will be some spares and start ringing people. Some will have said they would be available but on that day won’t answer the phone or be able to get there in time. If there are strict ordering criteria then you might go through several or many people before someone is found who can come......and this has happened in lots of places. It’s time consuming and not meant to be the focus of the vaccinating services. Some people say it’s not convenient. Or they prefer another location or whatever.

With spare vaccine we are usually talking about less than 5 doses....so less than in a full unopened vial. Being able to respond to the odd person who appears near closing time and who is actually there with an arm proffered, or someone who calls and will be there in 10 minutes and not after closing time or asking you to hold it for them tomorrow or if they can come tomorrow instead, means it gets used and time isn’t wasted. It’s that balance between time and resources devoted to using those last doses in the very fairest way and simply ensuring they go into someone’s arm.

As we go further down the ages, in some areas, fewer people will take the jab. In areas of hesitancy it is possible to whizz to younger groups because people in the older groups don’t take it up even after a couple of offers (and they will keep being offered) ....so there are regional and district disparities which feel unfair. On a personal level, some people feel really cross to know a 35 year old had theirs 3 miles away but they at 47 haven’t been offered it. The thing is the system can’t be as nuanced and perfect in its ordering as that. People don’t instantly book nearly as fast as you’d imagine and it is impossible to know the exact take up rates in different areas until they happen. And the jab must still me used up.

In 4 months time, none of us will be saying ‘I had to wait an extra 3 weeks than my 36 year old colleague even though I’m 10 years older’ even though it feels so important now. Essentially a very carefully co-ordinated and run system is happening which is very ordered and allows hundreds of thousands to be jabbed every day, roughly in priority order. Some are out of priority order and that is the sacrifice for speed. And it’s so worth it on a bigger picture level as it’s worth having some people jabbed sooner or later than their position in the so-called queue suggests if it means more people can be done overall faster.

It is frustrating when you’re waiting when you hear others have had it before you and are younger and you have no idea how to access it or when it’s coming. But all the upper 40s can be confident they will be the next group it opens to and it won’t be long in the wider scheme. No-one is directly conspiring against them but there is some element of luck in terms of exactly where you live and which GP you’re registered at, which can make a difference of a couple or few weeks, especially at the moment. The system isn’t perfect and to imagine it will be or that the tweaks people want for reserve lists etc to make it entirely fair and accessible for all, but their nature would add cumbersome procedures to the system, slowing its whole key feature of speed.

Some people would rather the queue were an exact one and that the person below them doesn’t get invited until they have had it. If t worked like that we’d still be on about person 100 as there are always things holding it up, people not taking the offer or failing to turn up. We cannot wait for all of them before the next person is offered and so the order gets a little mixed up. It’s unavoidable.

Perhaps they will look back at this official lime in not giving it to under 50s yet and say that was an error as so many areas do seem to be unofficially doing it now anyway. Or perhaps it’s not as many as we think. We know vaccine available for 1st dose is going to be small for a while. Perhaps they don’t want to open the floodgates and not be able to meet demand.

And lastly, when Hancock says no weeks without 1st doses in April, remember that doesn’t have to mean 40s. Lots of all age groups haven’t had their jabs still. People have been hesitant in all age groups or no-shows or just slow to book. The mop up of every single age group is an ongoing thing and all of them are first jabs. It would be nice to think upper 40s could be offered it alongside those people too, but perhaps there are other supply issues we don’t know about meaning they really don’t feel they can officially open Phase 2 yet. It’s hard to know why it can’t just be 49s or 49s and 48s and done very gradually to stop the floodgates if demand opening. Who knows really.

Great post
JaninaDuszejko · 02/04/2021 14:41

I'm 50, booked online the first day I was able to and am getting my first vaccination next week. But I have to drive 50 miles to get it, there were no spaces any closer. When I booked it I told my sister (10 years younger) and she said 'yeah, I got mine last week' Envy.

dapsnotplimsolls · 02/04/2021 15:01

I'm 49 and a teacher. Earlier this week we got an e-mail from the Headteacher saying it might be possible for us to have a vaccine the next day in a nearby town and to send him our details so he could pass them on. At the end of school the next day, we all got an e-mail saying we could go and get one between 4 and 5 or later in the evening. Cue - mad dash to the vaccine centre! I assume they knew they'd have some left hence the short notice. I agree with others who've said there should have been some kind of national scheme for leftover vaccines at the end of each day. I saw a message on fb last Sunday saying there were some spare vaccines but I didn't want to drive all the way there and then be told that it was just for people registered with that practice.

Catslovepies · 02/04/2021 15:57

I'm 48 and haven't heard anything, but I live in a town with lots of retirees so I guess there are still a lot of people to get to before me. It would be ideal if they kept to vaccinating people in age order but I suppose the main thing is not too have any wasted doses.

pawsbaws · 02/04/2021 15:58

I"m late 40s and will put £10 on me not getting the blue envelope until May at the earliest... in Scotland you see.

wonderstuff · 02/04/2021 16:06

@ChloeDecker I feel exactly the same way. A friend who is a healthcare assistant and has been able to avoid catching covid has now had her second dose, lots of friends who work from home have had the vaccine, seems like lots of teachers have managed to get a spare dose, in the USA teachers have been given priority and yet some of us are going to be keeping everything crossed until May or June through bad luck and not being prioritised. I think I had covid a year ago, caught at school and it seems unlikely I'll have natural immunity still and could get it again.

I know I'm a whiny teacher and at least in the UK we're getting through the population at pace, but it doesn't feel terribly fair.

MrBeagles · 02/04/2021 16:12

I'm 38 and was contacted yesterday and booked for 13th April. I thought it was an April fool's joke. I wasn't expecting to be vaccinated till summer.

I want to be vaccinated and always planned to go as soon as possible when invited, but it seems silly as I'm a SAHM. My twin who lives 200 miles away is a FE teacher and sees hundreds of young people every working day. I wish we could swap

sleepwouldbenice · 02/04/2021 16:28

I don't think anyone begrudge anyone spares at the end of the day
It's entire full day vaccine sessions for the under 50s from one gp surgery with the one next door following the rules

justanotherneighinparadise · 02/04/2021 16:28

Nearly 50 have heard bugger all.

Londonmummy66 · 02/04/2021 16:30

It is really tough for teachers and police but it is difficult to predict what the spare doses situation is. I was volunteering yesterday and our vaccination session ended at 8pm. At 7.30 we needed a new vial and knew that we had another 3 doses scheduled and that 3 people had not shown up and we hadn't been able to phone them to see if they were coming. So we were able to offer 4 people who were queuing up for spares a jab there and then and the next were told they could wait until the 8pm cut off to see who had turned up or not so we could give them any spare that was left over then. (Also the number of doses you can get out a vial vary so sometimes you have more spare than you anticipate.) For us after a 7 hour stint and the vaccinators after 12 hours we just wanted to not waste the vaccine and go home.

It would seem really mean to get teachers or police to turn up so late on the hope of a vaccination that may or may not then be available but you really don't know until you are down to the last few booked jabs just how many doses you are likely to have spare.