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EU threaten to cut off vaccine supply to the UK 3

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EasterIssland · 30/03/2021 14:26

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4200959-EU-threaten-to-cut-off-vaccine-supply-to-the-UK-2?pg=1

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TheHoneyBadger · 31/03/2021 18:19

Thank you. I hadn't looked into her for a long time.

I think what I'm wondering really is is it possible to want controls on immigration, protected borders and the prioritising of the nation a party represents without being called far right?

For example I'm not what is normally meant by the term nationalist but I do believe that the existence and preservation of the nation is our best, or only, defense against being ruled by global companies and maintaining any kind of workers rights in today's world. The alternative to me is the rich continuing to get vastly richer whilst the poor lose more and more of their basic rights and protections as workers and companies pay less in taxes and don't contribute to the infrastructure they rely on in the countries they operate in.

I thought the left was about protecting the rights of workers and ensuring their rights were not undermined and would therefore have something to say, for example, about the free movement of workers who could undercut citizens or national operations and drive down wages and protections such as sick pay, pensions, reliable contracted work etc. Yet the left seems to have become more about ideological issues far removed from the concerns of the actual working class. Anyone now speaking up for those interests of workers, working class concerns around housing, access to services, etc seems to be labelled right wing.

I suspect just saying I believe in maintaining nation states borders and protections as the best way of looking after the interests of their workers and consumers (eg. no I don't want bleached chicken thanks) or suggesting that actually I believe unchecked immigration has serious consequences for society would see me labelled right wing.

TheHoneyBadger · 31/03/2021 18:22

Shorthand is that it seems to me that you now have to swallow all of the kool aid without exception that is on offer from the far left or be labelled extreme right, fascist etc.

FourTeaFallOut · 31/03/2021 18:45

I think she's comfortably old school right-right as opposed to the oppositional other to anything which fails the orthodoxy of the left. Although there has been a detoxification of Le Pen to move her narrative away from her batshit racist father to something more palatable.

TheHoneyBadger · 31/03/2021 18:48

So am I now right wing?

yellowspanner · 31/03/2021 19:00

The upsurge of cases in continental Europe is worrying because the strains that are there will undoubtedly land on our shores and our whole population in not yet vaccinated.
I am tired of Macron's pontificating and U turning. Just vaccinate everyone, idiot.

FourTeaFallOut · 31/03/2021 19:01

Well, I don't know you HoneyBadger. I certainly share your frustration with the left for running people out from their political home for failing arbitary morality tests on particular topics.

But the National Front have a long history with xenophobia and Holocaust denial. Le Pen has toned it down but it's not uncomplicated.

TheHoneyBadger · 31/03/2021 19:09

I think it's unfortunate, to say the least, that some common sense issues have become untouchable for the left and therefore totally unaddressed in such a way that the only ones who do talk about those concerns are the right wing. I'm tempted to say that if there is a movement towards more right wing parties it is largely the fault of the left.

If the right is the only voice talking about genuine concerns faced by the working classes or the 'victims of globalisation' as I've seen them described then....

Anyway I'm way off topic. I don't think I am right wing but I'm not left wing anymore either because the left has gone to places I can't follow them if TWAT and the expulsion of women who want to maintain sex based rights.

NoseinBook3 · 31/03/2021 19:20

It’s very depressing what’s happening in Europe both in regards to Covid and politics. I really feel for the people because they are the ones who will feel it the most. Not the political leaders Sad

FourTeaFallOut · 31/03/2021 19:21

I handed my left badge in with erosion of women's rights and the silence that surrounds it.

Macron is extending lockdown light throughout France. That'll fix it Hmm

notimagain · 31/03/2021 19:42

Looking at the devil in the detail it looked like a slightly heavier version of the existing light though didn't it?

V impressed (and pleasantly surprised) if the plans for increasing Intensive beds and staff up to 10k in a matter of days actually happen..I'm off to one these supposedly about to collapse Hmm French hospitals for a routine longstanding outpatients RDV tomorrow AM .....I might dare to ask the staff what they think of that part of the announcement Confused

I'll be even more impressed and surprised if the vaccine plan/dates he outlined actually happen as well..

3asAbird · 31/03/2021 20:34

@notimagain

Looking at the devil in the detail it looked like a slightly heavier version of the existing light though didn't it?

V impressed (and pleasantly surprised) if the plans for increasing Intensive beds and staff up to 10k in a matter of days actually happen..I'm off to one these supposedly about to collapse Hmm French hospitals for a routine longstanding outpatients RDV tomorrow AM .....I might dare to ask the staff what they think of that part of the announcement Confused

I'll be even more impressed and surprised if the vaccine plan/dates he outlined actually happen as well..

I'm sure 1st wave the French flew some patient to Germany.
Baileysforchristmas · 31/03/2021 21:37

I can’t read this as behind paywall. Which jabs have the EU blocked?

www.ft.com/content/28158bed-5f07-4504-9a00-2f3d8f7519df

AnchorAmore · 31/03/2021 21:38

@sashagabadon

If the EU does buy Sputnik or sinopharm they’ll need to be very careful not to be flip flopping on ages, stops, starts and questioning safety and efficacy etc as they do with AZ. Neither country will take kindly to this sort of international coverage , it could spark an international incident by accident... It’s one thing to upset the Brits dissing their vaccine, quite another the Chinese or Russians!
😂😂😂😂 seriously! It’s not the ‘British vaccine’. It’s a vaccine created in a multi cultural university in the U.K., with two of the head people being an Irish person and an English person never mind all the other diverse backgrounds of scientists who developed it - with funding from multiple countries to develop it and it is being distributed by a Swedish company.

What is with this thing of posters acting like AZ is their first born child!!!!

MRex · 31/03/2021 21:43

@notimagain - I know it's wildly off-topic, but would you mind giving a tiny brief on how the election voting works and latest opinion polls please? UK news I've read seems to suggest it's Macron or Le Pen, which seems crazy.

MRex · 31/03/2021 21:52

[quote Baileysforchristmas]I can’t read this as behind paywall. Which jabs have the EU blocked?

www.ft.com/content/28158bed-5f07-4504-9a00-2f3d8f7519df[/quote]
For the FT, handy future hint... copy the headline and paste it into Google. Then the article opens.

Anyway, it's just EU saying UK can't have any Halix Astrazeneca doses. So not news to those on this thread, it's a poor performing facility and we knew the EU wouldn't allow export. Boris gave up a few future doses the UK wouldn't get in exchange for Pfizer ready now. EU get to look all tough that they kept doses from UK that don't yet exist, weren't ever likely to come here... but they won't use them. The main losers are Covax, who also don't get doses that are left to rot in EU fridges.

TimeZonedOut · 31/03/2021 21:54

@Baileysforchristmas
FT article you asked about:
"Thierry Breton, internal market commissioner, played down the likely outcome of talks that have been ongoing between Brussels and London over vaccine production, saying “there is nothing to negotiate” between the two parties.

Production from the Seneffe plant in Belgium and the Halix factory in the Netherlands “more or less” matches AstraZeneca’s commitments to Brussels, and so must be reserved for the EU, he said."

EasterIssland · 31/03/2021 21:55

[quote Baileysforchristmas]I can’t read this as behind paywall. Which jabs have the EU blocked?

www.ft.com/content/28158bed-5f07-4504-9a00-2f3d8f7519df[/quote]
A senior Brussels policymaker has sought to quash British hopes of obtaining AstraZeneca vaccines manufactured in the European Union, saying “zero” jabs would be shipped across the Channel if the company failed to meet its commitments to the bloc.

Thierry Breton, internal market commissioner, played down the likely outcome of talks that have been ongoing between Brussels and London over vaccine production, saying “there is nothing to negotiate” between the two parties.

Production from the Seneffe plant in Belgium and the Halix factory in the Netherlands “more or less” matches AstraZeneca’s commitments to Brussels, and so must be reserved for the EU, he said.

“If [AstraZeneca] does more, we don’t have any issue, but as long as it doesn’t deliver its commitment to us, the doses stay in Europe — except for Covax,” said Breton in an interview, referring to the international vaccine scheme aimed mainly at poorer countries. “There is no negotiation.”

Breton’s comments drew a frosty response from London. “Such comments are disappointing,” said one senior official. “The only way we are going to beat this pandemic together is by finding a win-win.

“The imposition of export controls and not respecting lawful contracts will only hamper global efforts to increase vaccine production and fight the virus,” the official said.

Matt Hancock, UK health secretary, told the FT on March 24 that the UK laid claim to AstraZeneca doses made in the Netherlands as part of a deal made by the company to supply 100m doses to Britain. Asked whether the Halix plant in Leiden was part of the UK supply chain, he said: “Yes, of course.”

Britain signed an undisclosed initial agreement with AstraZeneca several months before the company struck a deal with the EU — although the final UK contract was only sealed the day after the deal with the European bloc.

Hancock added: “They have a ‘best efforts’ contract and we have an exclusivity deal.”

However Boris Johnson has tacitly acknowledged that the UK, which has given almost 31m people their first vaccine shot, will struggle practically to lay claim to vaccines made on EU soil.

Sir Tim Barrow, Britain’s former ambassador to the EU, was dispatched to Brussels to try to defuse the row, including offering UK help in boosting vaccine manufacturing capacity.

British officials have talked of “sharing” doses made in Leiden with the EU, although Breton’s comments suggest that such hopes may turn to dust.

The two sides put out a statement last week declaring they wanted to find a “win-win situation and expand vaccine supply for all our citizens”. But some EU officials question what the UK can currently offer the EU given the bloc has exported 21m doses of all vaccines to Britain with no production flowing the other way.

Brussels last week hardened its vaccine export restrictions to ensure that other countries that produce jabs show “reciprocity” by sharing their own production. The overhauled rules are now in provisional force.

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Baileysforchristmas · 31/03/2021 21:56

Thank you

Baileysforchristmas · 31/03/2021 21:59

That’s a relief I thought they were talking about Pfizer as well

StormzyinaTCup · 31/03/2021 22:01

Baileys Breton is saying that all the AZ currently in Belgium and Netherlands will not be leaving the EU and it will be used to fulfil their contract with AZ and U.K. can think again if it thinks it is having any of it (but the quantity earmarked for Covax will still to go to Covax).

A senior Brussels policymaker has sought to quash British hopes of obtaining AstraZeneca vaccines manufactured in the European Union, saying “zero” jabs would be shipped across the Channel if the company failed to meet its commitments to the bloc.

Thierry Breton, internal market commissioner, played down the likely outcome of talks that have been ongoing between Brussels and London over vaccine production, saying “there is nothing to negotiate” between the two parties.

Production from the Seneffe plant in Belgium and the Halix factory in the Netherlands “more or less” matches AstraZeneca’s commitments to Brussels, and so must be reserved for the EU, he said.

“If [AstraZeneca] does more, we don’t have any issue, but as long as it doesn’t deliver its commitment to us, the doses stay in Europe — except for Covax,” said Breton in an interview, referring to the international vaccine scheme aimed mainly at poorer countries. “There is no negotiation.”

StormzyinaTCup · 31/03/2021 22:04

Easterlssland has beaten me to it Smile

No, not a Pfizer thankfully.

Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady · 31/03/2021 22:15

Ok.

So worst case scenario...

EU block all AZ exports
India doesn't deliver as has been indicated

But...
Pfizer continues to arrive in the Uk
UK factories produce 2m AZ a week
Moderna arriving in april

So the vaccination programme may slow down a bit it shouldn't be by much right?

Graciebobcat · 31/03/2021 22:19

Fucksake France, the state of you. Almost making Boris look competent. I'm supposed to be going to Brittany in August, you absolute wankers. Pull yourselves together and get vaccinated. Twats.

Graciebobcat · 31/03/2021 22:21

Stupid French woman on the news refusing the AZ vaccine to wair for the Pfizer. Then she got Covid, so that was well worth it. Fucksake.

OuiOuiKitty · 31/03/2021 22:24

It’s not the ‘British vaccine’. It’s a vaccine created in a multi cultural university in the U.K., with two of the head people being an Irish person and an English person never mind all the other diverse backgrounds of scientists who developed it - with funding from multiple countries to develop it and it is being distributed by a Swedish company.

What is with this thing of posters acting like AZ is their first born child!!!!

This always makes me laugh too! No one but brits think of it as 'the British vaccine' no more than we think of the BioNTech vaccine as being 'the German vaccine'. Even calling it the Oxford Vaccine as I've seen people here refer to it isn't a think elsewhere.

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