EU threaten to cut off vaccine supply to the UK 3

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@Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady

Ok.

So worst case scenario...

EU block all AZ exports
India doesn't deliver as has been indicated

But...
Pfizer continues to arrive in the Uk
UK factories produce 2m AZ a week
Moderna arriving in april

So the vaccination programme may slow down a bit it shouldn't be by much right?

Novavax meant to be approved soon and fabricated in the uk

And j&j was sent for approval a month ago to mhra but haven’t heard anything else about it

The reciprocity thing makes no sense - what would be the point of importing if you are expected to give an equal number back You might as well just stick as the result would be the same. Also how can one little island be expected to export as much as it imports from all suppliers in a massive 27 country block?

As said previously you'd have to be crazy to invest in production plants or labs etc in EU after this.

This always makes me laugh too! No one but brits think of it as 'the British vaccine' no more than we think of the BioNTech vaccine as being 'the German vaccine'. Even calling it the Oxford Vaccine as I've seen people here refer to it isn't a think elsewhere.

If I was a betting person I'd put money on the fact that if the Sanofi vaccine had come to anything it would definitely be referred to in France as 'the French vaccine'

@StormzyinaTCup why do you think that?

Nailed it StormzyinaTCup

[quote AnchorAmore]@StormzyinaTCup why do you think that?[/quote]
Oh come on!

Plus the fact the UK has had 120 000 plus deaths, far more than anyone else in Europe. Our population is fatter, older and sicker than the rest if Europe (which is a disgrace) but which means it's hardly wrong to prioritise vaccination here.

Kent variant anyone? Took us out Dec/Jan and is now hitting mainland Europe.

This always makes me laugh too! No one but brits think of it as 'the British vaccine'

How do you refer to variant B.1.1.7?

no more than we think of the BioNTech vaccine as being 'the German vaccine'

I think many British people do think of it as the German vaccine - in a positive, interested way. There were quite a few articles about the German couple who created it.

I think it's Europe's behaviour towards it that has made it be seen as 'the British Vaccine'.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/01/pfizer-boss-accuses-eu-hampering-covid-vaccine-rollout/amp/

Can you give us a synopsis Baileys? I can't access it and googling the headline doesn't work for me

I managed it, core snippet:

"The US drugmaker, which supplies Britain and more than 70 other countries with coronavirus jabs, said new EU rules about the free movement of goods across borders were damaging its ability to export the vaccine.

The rules oblige manufacturers to seek Brussels' approval before exporting every parcel of jabs, which has caused "a significant administrative burden and some uncertainty", said Danny Hendrikse, the pharmaceutical giant's vice-president of global supply.

“Ultimately what we would like our colleagues to do is to focus on making and distributing the vaccine,” he said.

Mr Hendrikse explained the process of gathering all the raw materials needed for jabs was "particularly complex".

"The components don't just come from Europe, but from all over the world," he said, explaining that for one dose, 280 are needed, which come from 86 suppliers in 19 countries."

So 19 countries involved but EU sees it as there's as the end product is on their continent

The EU is bonkers. To not understand how the ingredients come from other countries is ludicrous. All they will succeed in doing is making industries not manufacture there. And they don't want AZ, not using AZ, keep rubbishing AZ (when the EMA continually tells them it's safe). So send it to us and we will use it all. Not let it go off in fridges. 2,000 people queued for spares yesterday at one centre. I am growing to despise the leaders who are causing this.

Not getting doses of AZ produced in Europe is a problem for the U.K. it will slow down the roll out quite a bit and makes us reliant on the U.K. plants alone ( which as we’ve seen in itself causes problems when you get issues with batches from that plant).

The argument has always been about AZ - the EU were never in reality going to block Pfizer exports ( that’s as much about optics as everything no else). So if correct the FT article is worrying for speed of roll out in the U.K. AZ is the workhorse of the UK’s vaccination programme - 2 million doses a week will not be enough (the Moderna quantities are small, the other vaccines won’t be on line until later in the summer in meaningful numbers).

@3asAbird

I'm sure 1st wave the French flew some patient to Germany.

They did, there's been some movement of ITU patients across France this time around.

There's no doubt the ITU system in northern France is under massive pressure but the comment made by somebody upthread that the whole French hospital system is on the vergie of collapse is pure hyperbole..

@MRex

..re describing the voting system other I might leave the fine detail of that for somebody actually educated on it here..

The rough detail is it's a two round system, with lots of candidates from right across the political spectrum in the first round in, following that certainly in previous years the second round has usually ended up as Le Pen vs. A N Other, with A N Other picking up "anybody but Le Pen" votes.

A year is a long time and it certainly not a given that it will be Macron vs. Le Pen in the second round, or even if now Le Pen is the main threat to Macron....if left wing sentiment gains popularity it'll be interesting to see how the likes of the veteran Jean-Luc Mélenchon perform.

Some of the facts are being distorted a bit. Ie I’m in Austria, the region I’m in only has 20 intensive care beds. Out of 20 beds, 16 are currently occupied and with 5 of those patients from Italy and France. Not all these are Covid patients.
So when the news says ‘ intensive care almost at capacity’ it’s not that high in numbers.
Anyone I know who’s had the vaccine here has had Pfizer, and everyone on the 3 week vaccination schedule not 12.

What do you make of Austria's demand for more vaccine and threatening to hold up the procurement of more if they don't get them Caspian - interested to see how it's reported on and perceived there.

@Ilovecrumpets

Not getting doses of AZ produced in Europe is a problem for the U.K. it will slow down the roll out quite a bit and makes us reliant on the U.K. plants alone ( which as we’ve seen in itself causes problems when you get issues with batches from that plant).

The argument has always been about AZ - the EU were never in reality going to block Pfizer exports ( that’s as much about optics as everything no else). So if correct the FT article is worrying for speed of roll out in the U.K. AZ is the workhorse of the UK’s vaccination programme - 2 million doses a week will not be enough (the Moderna quantities are small, the other vaccines won’t be on line until later in the summer in meaningful numbers).

We’ve been quite fast so far how much has that been due to AZ from here?

I don’t think we’ve received much from EU

Has Pfizer been enough to give us the numbers we’ve had? (Maybe it is not sure)

Didn't Von see Leyen say that we'd had 1m az jabs out of Europe last week?

As in, she said that last week, not that we had 1m doses last week.

Yes that’s what I’d thought re 1m total AZ

Although she may not know figures

But we’ve been going pretty well so far so Pfizer 10m and rest U.K. AZ?

I think (bit early) don’t mind corrections!

Plus 10m second dose Pfizer

So this whole thing is just about the EU wanting to slow down the UK rollout? I can’t see any other reason, how bitter and twisted is that.