EU threaten to cut off vaccine supply to the UK 3

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Holding them hostage more like. It's fine in that we'll survive, we'll definitely learn from it and no doubt business' and investors looking at where to operate from will learn from it also.

I just wish people could be honest about what this is. Threatening export bans, threatening to further destabilise NI, raiding private factories and claiming to have found hidden vaccines (that turned out to be destined for EU countries anyway despite slandering the company and the UK claiming they were coming here), taking vaccines destined for Australia and never explaining where they've gone... And people genuinely want to say nothing to see here, all totally kosher

Of course the UK supply chain impacted the EU supply chain. The EU plants and the UK plants were all listed in the EU contracts.

@Flywheel

Of course the UK supply chain impacted the EU supply chain. The EU plants and the UK plants were all listed in the EU contracts.

Wasn’t it a number thing

First 300m from EU factories next 100m from U.K.

Slow production in EU was the issue

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously whatever the EU did or didnt do, the UK would not have allowed release of any vaccine, the UK made it very clear "we will vaccinate every adult before we look at vaccine export"
Which is why they have been quiet on 700k doses going to Australia.

My take on it is there is only so many doses, EU get more, UK get less, so if you believe the EU has messed up, then that advantages the UK.

I just wish people could be honest about what this is. Threatening export bans, threatening to further destabilise NI

Me too, the only country messing up NI & the GFA is the UK.

As for threats, there are none on vaccines and its Bojo who has twice unilaterally broken the very terms of the EU FTA he signed just a few months ago.
International legal action being taken against UK, which i expect we will ignore.

Fly

Uk sites were not meant for initial doses

Halix was to be expanded. So original capacity UK, additional (larger) capacity EU.

Belguim - not part of UK supply chain.

You are right though. The EU supply chain was impacted by UK supply chain. The investment and development done by the UK assisted the EU as some of the original obstacles would have been overcome. All that was left for EU / AZ to do was get that capacity up and running.

Some threads worth reading. Not from AZ, the UK govt or the EU but the brilliant guys and gals at Oxford / Jenner Institute.

twitter.com/adamjohnritchie/status/1355136430402580482?s=19

twitter.com/adamjohnritchie/status/1374366498232303616?s=19

twitter.com/sandyddouglas/status/1355565609434677255?s=19

jas my take on the Austrailian doses are slightly different.

We don't really know the details of the AZ contract with Austrailian. But they had once. Signed before/ after the EU?

Would they have received any doses if the UK AZ sites hadn't stepped in? Did that mean AZ would have had to break contract with Austrailia?

The EU already had doses. Not as many as they would like, but there were no contractual issues..

The UK also had doses, again not as many as they would like but some still.

Az has contracts with customers. It doesn't matter what the current Covid situation is at each customer. The contracts are not designed in this way.

Az needed to get some doses to Austrailia and chose to do this from UK sites. We don't know if the UK govt had prior knowledge of this or not. (I accept they probably did).

The actions of the EU meant that free trade in / out of the EU is no longer possible, at least for AZ. So I wouldn't really expect AZ to import any doses to EU when nothing is coming out.

Ignore the shit coming from the UK govt. That is just political noise.

OMG the EU keep dragging UK into their vaccine rollout, why?Why not just get on with it

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/08/almost-all-dutch-made-astrazeneca-doses-will-stay-in-eu-says-brussels

We don't really know the details of the AZ contract with Austrailian. But they had once. Signed before/ after the EU?
19th August

Thierry Breton can go and fuck himself

Thanks wakeup, but I've already read widely on the subject. Twitter is as full of alternative facts as this thread. If anyone honestly believe there are no contractual problems with the shit AZ were trying to pull on the EU, I give up.
I'll leave the thread, but would like to say I truly hope the UK keeps up their fantastic rollout. And I hope the EU can finally ramp up and we have some hope of a summer.

@LimitIsUp my sentiments exactly 😂

They really are something else aren’t they? We have a successful rollout which has quite obviously got right under their skin. They need to stop with the pettiness and just get the f**k on with jabbing people.

@StormzyinaTCup it really has, they can’t let go, why not concentrate on getting the EU population vaccinated and shut the fuck up.

The EU would be happy to get on with vaccinating - obviously for that it would be helpful if AZ at least tried to fulfil the contract and deliver a decent amount.

Fly I believe AZ grossly overestimated. And really they do need to explain that to the EU.

But that has nothing to do with the UK.

I would actually like the UK to help out the EU if it could. And let's not kid on, vaccinating EU would benefit us more.

But I just can't see past the behaviour of the EU on this one (usually a fan).

On a plus side I see Germany did over 700k vaccines yesterday.

That is amazing (France & Spain doing pretty good too). And will benefit all of us.

t really has, they can’t let go, why not concentrate on getting the EU population vaccinated and shut the fuck up

I know why, because France (and Brussels) no doubt has just clapped eyes on our employment figures versus their dire forecast. The UK in global economists view is going to have a huge bounce - thanks largely to a successful vaccine programme. France and others are languishing in lockdown and will be for months. It is only going to get worse as we really take off.

The EU now look like they are in the metaphorical slow lane, which would rankle at the best of times, but with elections due in France and Germany the timing could hardly be worse.

Buckle your braces for more bile folks, as we hit some high notes in the coming months - British feeling optimistic and strengthened is not the look anyone on the other side of the channel wanted to see. Frost bitten sour grapes.

@GibbsGibbsGibbs there are millions of doses of AZ not being used across the EU, stuck in fridges, get them in arms not in fridges before they go off.

@Baileysforchristmas
According to some posters on here there are no problems to be expected with second jabs for Pfizer in the UK because they have enough doses. So apparently it's ok that the UK has 10 million doses "sitting in a fridge going out of date", but you criticize the EU for not using everything immediately?

It is true that all 27 EU member states together have quite a few doses they have not yet used - but for most of them there are already appointments made or they are held back for second doses. And if you are incapable of understanding that there is no risk of anything going off because the shelflife is 6 months, not 6 days, I really can't help you.

[quote GibbsGibbsGibbs]@Baileysforchristmas
According to some posters on here there are no problems to be expected with second jabs for Pfizer in the UK because they have enough doses. So apparently it's ok that the UK has 10 million doses "sitting in a fridge going out of date", but you criticize the EU for not using everything immediately?

It is true that all 27 EU member states together have quite a few doses they have not yet used - but for most of them there are already appointments made or they are held back for second doses. And if you are incapable of understanding that there is no risk of anything going off because the shelflife is 6 months, not 6 days, I really can't help you.[/quote]
do you mean 10mn pfizer going out of date until we reach the under 30s who it will be reserved for?

Gibbs I think the difference is that we can't really be assured of the Pfizer supply now.

I am still awaiting my 1st dose but I would hate Pfizer now if that meant my parents/inlaws couldn't get their 2nd doses.

The EU have Pfizer supply completely under their control so no reason to hold any back.

Pfizer’s are currently being used at least for second doses. I’m doing volunteering tomorrow for second doses and it’s az. However, doing more volunteering next weekend and they’re Pfizer’s.
Someone I know over 40 had his first today (he just signed up for a gimme a call last minute if you’ve spares) in Cardiff and he got “pfizered”. So pfizer is not being sat on a fridge waiting for below 30s

Those 10 million are being used and used quickly. They will all be given within the 12 week timeframe. There is not really the same urgency though.

That is with giving 1st doses. The key is to get those 1st doses out as soon as you can.

Flywheel, you need to get your facts straight before you tell me I am wrong.
The UK already had an arrangement with AZ before the EU signed for best efforts.
No matter how much you wish it were otherwise.

And the UK government haven’t said one word about the EU rollout because they are to busy organising ours, they haven’t got time. The EU need to concentrate on their rollout and stop wasting time on bashing the UK.