EU threaten to cut off vaccine supply to the UK 3

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Well the timing is helpful flywheel as Moderna has just arrived into the UK along with the other vaccines that are due to follow in the next few weeks. So UK are still on target to complete the vaccination of all adults by June.

Quentin Raw nerve?

Yes you could say so, I don’t like xenophobia or racism, especially anti Irish from a fellow Brit.

Quentin it's clearly against mn rules to refer to other threads in the way you're doing. It also just seems very low. As do your very not fucking funny jokes about elderly people dying.

Seriously quent your bar is getting lower, probably because you are on the losing side of the argument.

The UK have behaved with utmost grace and dignity, the EU have revelled in a complete fiasco of their own making, and now you are facing an avalanche of Russian vaccines to choose from. I understand why you might be annoyed and worried but don't blame it on other countries.

Ireland have been treated appallingly by the EU - and I have Irish friends, and I will tell you that they are not even bothering to follow up the second doses in care homes in Ireland. There is such scarcity with vaccines that the decision has been made in many cases to keep all vaccines for other areas. Do you honestly think this is going down well in Ireland? Or anywhere else for that matter?

VDL didn't even bother to inform Michael Martin that she was intending to activate Article 16, the EU didn't even have the decency to alert/warn him, he found out with everyone else on Sky News!
Breaking every EU protocol going - most of Ireland were outraged at this and it has caused very bad feeling. Seemingly no one in Brussels seems to care. I find it especially galling when people defend the EU without acknowledging the truth.

I'm delighted UK are getting their Pfizer and Moderna supplies Itsa. These supplies were never in serious jeopardy. The problem had always been with AZ and their dodgy contracts, overpromising and under delivering

Don’t worry I’ve seen worse. And I’m not on any “side,” what an incredibly odd thing to say. This isn’t a football match, or a sectarian divide.

As I’ve said many times, I’m in a lucky position to have the best of both worlds as I and all my family have been vaccinated by sheer fortune at being resident on the right side of the channel for our respective age groups. If you call that “losing” then I’m delighted with it.

Yes jokes, @TheHoneyBadger , rather than gleeful sentiments PPs have barely bothered to even try and mask as concern. Bedfellows...

Johnson and Johnson vaccine now being reviewed by EMA for possible links to blood clots.

www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-vaccine-astrazeneca-covid-blood-clots-cases/

has if the govt of the EU was concerned about protecting its citizens it wouldn't have haggled over cost on the first place. The best thing they could do to protect them now is to put a muzzle on Macron, sack VDL and put someone competent in charge!
If the EU had said to Britain that they were up shit creek and would we give up our claim to the Dutch site and be reimbursed our investment, I think the UK government would have agreed. I believe the population here would have supported it since we all know that the only way out is for all of us to get vaccinated. I think we might also have been supportive of offering some of our own UK made supplies. Instead there were lots of false allegations made about the UK not exporting, constant undermining of AZ which is damaging us all.
My nan always said you catch more flies with honey - asking rather than demanding/stealing, is the approach I would expect from the EU.

The EU haven't stolen a thing. They are holding a private company to the terms of their contract. That's all. AZ would still be exporting what is owed to the EU if they hadn't put checks in place.

These new strains could put us back to last March, thats why its vital countries like Brazil, India and South Africa (plus many others) get vaccinating.

Let’s hope there’s no Brazilian version of Mumsnet, otherwise instead of getting vaccinated people will get sidetracked by endless debates about the minute risk from different vaccines...

@Flywheel

The EU haven't stolen a thing. They are holding a private company to the terms of their contract. That's all. AZ would still be exporting what is owed to the EU if they hadn't put checks in place.

Which terms do you think AZ are breaking?

What checks do you mean?

.. if the govt of the EU was concerned about protecting its citizens it wouldn't have haggled over cost on the first place. The best thing they could do to protect them now is to put a muzzle on Macron

I'm interested in who you think the "govt of the EU" is though that said I agree that comment applied to the commission but other than that

What exactly has Mr Macron said recently that is grinding your gears?.. and as for sacking the President of the EU Commission..funnily enough post Brexit the UK lost any say it that matter...

Time spend some time concentrating on where you have a vote and what goes on at Westminster perhaps?

It's unfortunate AZ also promised (and took money from) the UK for vaccines in the EU supply chain

Az didn't sell UK doses from the EU supply chain.

AZ do need to answer questions though because at this time it looks as if they sold doses from the UK supply chain (some of it in EU) to the EU. Either that, or the EU have come about them by questionable means.

I hate it when I type a post and it vanishes! Grrr!
Macron is apparently dissuading his population from having the second AZ dose. If that's true then he is being massively damaging to his own population. He's done enough already to deserve the muzzle imo
Ordinarily I'd agree the EU leadership is none of my concern. Except that a) I don't want more people to die and b) we are all connected. If a new strain emerges there which proves resistant to our vaccines we are all in the shit. We all need to be vaccinated to get out of this!
I still have energy to worry about what's happening here. But as things stand I'm feeling that Boris is more competent than many EU leaders, which I never thought I'd feel.

What exactly has Mr Macron said recently that is grinding your gears?

Ha, ha, ha, had to respond to this. I think the answer is "everything".

"I'm interested in who you think the "govt of the EU" is"

It seems that it's not always entirely clear: Guardian article about Turkish leader meeting EU heads.

I think we'd all be interested to know who is in charge of the EU and how they came to have that power

The EU contract with AZ was published and said they would make "best efforts"to meet EU contract.
The UK contract was earlier and guaranteed (and paid for) doses.
The EU has interfered with the contract between a private company and the UK government.
It is spiteful and I think it is because Macron and UvL are fed up about Brexit.

Wrong yellow. You are just repeating the same widespread lies. The UK contract was signed after the EU contract, which said best efforts, and also said they had no other contracts which would prevent them from meeting the EU order.

[quote Itsalonghaul]Johnson and Johnson vaccine now being reviewed by EMA for possible links to blood clots.

www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/coronavirus-news-vaccine-astrazeneca-covid-blood-clots-cases/[/quote]
This has to be a good thing.

Might help different countries (not just EU) develop a much needed sense of proportionality when they have to face up to the fact that no medical intervention is risk free, and this applies to other vaccines not just the AZ whipping boy

The UK had a pre existing arrangement with AZ flywheel. Not to mention that it invested in development of the vaccine in the first place and the EU haggled over the price

OK, if that's the case, AZ had no right to claim they had no conflicts in their contract with the EU. Now they are breaking that contact and the EU are holding them to account. Fair enough I would say.

Fly they didn't have any contracts

The UK supply chain was already sorted and did not impact the EU supply chain at all.

It seems the EU have misunderstood the contract. More likely they have not, but they want the doses and they want them now. Doesn't matter who's doses they are - the EU wants it all.