EU threaten to cut off vaccine supply to the UK 3

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Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4200959-EU-threaten-to-cut-off-vaccine-supply-to-the-UK-2?pg=1

Maybe the problems go deeper for Germany - that is what the Times on Sunday/Telegraph seem to imply that the country is having a bit of an identity criss and are very much feeling the vaccine failure, and what seems like mixed messages coming out of the government all of the time is confusion they are not used to.
It has been embarrassing and they seem to be lacking in any real direction for the future. Merkel's successor is not popular or liked, and no one seems especially credible to take the country into a new era post covid. Possibly brexit also had an impact too.

The issues seem to be bigger than covid and vaccines. It will be interesting to see if they are able to discover a new era of innovation, energy and dynamism.

More bad news but can't read aa behind paywall.
Why is Johnson and Johnson production problems blaming astrazeneca?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/04/us-removes-astrazeneca-baltimore-factory-vaccine-mix-up/

Wonder what crap will happen this week.

@3asAbird

More bad news but can't read aa behind paywall. Why is Johnson and Johnson production problems blaming astrazeneca?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/04/us-removes-astrazeneca-baltimore-factory-vaccine-mix-up/

Wonder what crap will happen this week.

I kind of understand why are they doing this. The mistake was a human error by mixing j&j with az ingredients. Usa has not approved az and they don’t think they’ll approve it / use it They’re using j&j So to avoid similar problems where they’d lose so many doses they’ve requested that only one of the vaccines is being produced in that factory. Makes sense for it to be j&j

@Itsalonghaul Could equally ask why you continue to bang the anti EU drum with such vigor?

You have posted a stream of rubbish, inc me living in Spain and quoting a previous thread to back it up.... an deliberate lie.

If you don't understand the whole point of brexit is for the UK to become a rival to the EU, then i suspect you are being deliberately obtuse, as its only by being a competitive rival can the UK even hope to be successful.

Maybe read Britannia Unchained?

Usa has not approved az and they don’t think they’ll approve it / use it

Why wouldn't the US approve AZ? isn't it safe?

@jasjas1973

Usa has not approved az and they don’t think they’ll approve it / use it

Why wouldn't the US approve AZ? isn't it safe?

Fda has the answer to that not me

jasjas1973

there was a link somewhere on here, speculating quite a bit about why it's unlikely the FTA will approve, a lot of the article was saying it because they have enough vaccines already so no point approving it, as its next gen vaccines they will now focus on.

The cynic in me thinks it might be also be related to the fact for pharma there is a lot of profit in the US to made, and maybe don't want to be under cut by an at cost vaccine.

It's a shame if they don't approve it even if they never use it.

I'm about to go to work so don't have time to find the link.

*FDA

So many issues in the EU at the moment

www.politico.eu/article/eu-misses-coronavirus-vaccines-target/

www.politico.eu/article/bernd-lucke-economist-germany-recovery-fund-europe-professor-nein/

It’s just such a mess, being in the WU in the middle of a pandemic, freedom of movement, finances and sharing vaccines don’t work i’m afraid.

EU even

And that is before we face the economic fall out baileys that is all to come.

I imagine it’s going to get pretty fraught. Southern states can’t take anymore austerity punishments and will struggle to balance the books but with the uk out there are fewer people to pay the bills.

@TheHoneyBadger

I imagine it’s going to get pretty fraught. Southern states can’t take anymore austerity punishments and will struggle to balance the books but with the uk out there are fewer people to pay the bills.

Hasn't the EU got a trillion plus euro fund ready to go?

Since when has austerity achieved anything? in the UK it has wrecked public services and helped lead to some appalling healthcare consequences.

if european countries hadn't questioned AZ, would we have ever been told about any potential link to clotting... i think not.

The glee, from some, in wanting to the EU fail is very sad, should that happen, it would have a terrible effect on the UK but that seems to be a price worth paying?

This is the bit that’s worrying

Bernd Lucke has gotten Germany to halt ratification of the EU's €750 billion coronavirus recovery fund, sending chills through European capitals. But he insists he's doing the European Union a favor.

Interesting, Lucke sounds like Germany's answer to Farage.

Hopefully the Karlsruhe court will dismiss the challenge.

No I don’t won’t the EU to fail but I don’t think it’s a wonderful system either, it has a lot of flaws. I don’t think it’s wise to have one currency between many different countries with different tax systems and economies.

@Baileysforchristmas

No I don’t won’t the EU to fail but I don’t think it’s a wonderful system either, it has a lot of flaws. I don’t think it’s wise to have one currency between many different countries with different tax systems and economies.

Perhaps but we weren't in the eurozone and had an opt out to avoid any bailouts. Though for the tourist and for trade, having to make only one currency exchange is cheaper and more convenient.

Nor is any country bound by decisions made by the EMA either, as proven by several countries regulators coming to different conclusions to the EMA/EU.

Which gives lie to the belief that the EU is some sort of monster federal state.

What i do know is brexit is causing a break down in relations in NI (fragile at best) and trade between the EU and UK is more expensive and harder to do, so less economic & employment growth.

One day CV will be gone, Brexit won't be.

During trials for the Janssen vaccine involving nearly 44,000 people, 10 of the 22,000 people who received the blank dose developed a blood clot – or thrombo-embolic events - while 14 of the remaining 22,000 who were inoculated, developed a clot

I jus popped this on another thread. EMA have approved J&J, despite this data from trials. Now, two things strike me. Firstly, this is a higher incidence than for AZ. But also, the background incidence for those in the placebo group is almost indentical. Interesting eh?

EU blames AstraZeneca 'failure' as it misses vaccination target
AstraZeneca has been squarely blamed by the EU for its comparatively slow Covid vaccine rollout after the bloc of 27 states failed to achieve its target to vaccinate 80% of older people by the end of March.
Data from the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC), dated 5 April, suggests the median proportion of those aged 80 and above in the EU who had received a first jab was 59.8%, while 29.7% had been fully vaccinated among the 25 member states that had reported on their performance.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/06/eu-blames-astrazeneca-failure-for-sluggish-covid-vaccine-rollout

Can I say this is bolloocks and a way to blame again AZ for their own failures. How is it possible that AZ is at fault if many of the countries in the EU had AZ banned for over 55/65 until a few weeks ago since January? So how not vaccinating the 80% of 80+ is affected by the lack of AZ? Wouldn't it be Moderna/Pfizer at fault?

My spanish uncle and aunt are being vaccinated tomorrow (they're 80 and 81) but I know someone whose mum (87) hasn't been called yet

For goodness sake JasJas, this thread is not about Brexit.
Do you ever think about anything else?
The EU is far from perfect.

Germany are now contemplating following the UK in leaving 12 weeks between vaccinations

www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2021/4/6/why-is-germany-struggling-to-stop-a-third-wave-covid-crisis

influential Social Democrat MP and epidemiologist Karl Lauterbach called on Germany’s vaccine regulator to show more flexibility and follow the UK’s lead in extending the gap between doses, which he believes could see every willing person receive a first dose by the end of June.
“If we change our strategy now and focus on as many first vaccinations as possible, a fourth lockdown will no longer be necessary,” he said.

@yellowspanner

For goodness sake JasJas, this thread is not about Brexit. Do you ever think about anything else? The EU is far from perfect.

But all ok for you and Baileys to link some means to slag of the EU...

See above - you get in your dig about the EU, do YOU ever think of anything else lol

The glee, from some, in wanting to the EU fail is very sad, should that happen, it would have a terrible effect on the UK but that seems to be a price worth paying?

Iirc after the referendum there was a lot of wanting Britain to fail and Brexiteers to be hit the hardest.

I worry more about the EU now the UK have left, I think we held it together.