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EU threaten to cut off vaccine supply to the UK 3

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EasterIssland · 30/03/2021 14:26

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4200959-EU-threaten-to-cut-off-vaccine-supply-to-the-UK-2?pg=1

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3asAbird · 01/04/2021 16:56

@pommedeterre

The Sun has a massive agenda vs the EU though. Not sure you can ever assume anything about the EU in the Sun is totally fair/true!
Totally agree with you but similar story in the independent which is not right wing or anti eu.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/covid-vaccine-astrazeneca-eu-uk-b1825317.html

MarshaBradyo · 01/04/2021 16:57

A lot of what we’re hearing is from MEPs anyway. So it’s not a case of U.K. media interpretation -for many.

They sound very frustrated and casting around a lot to blame AZ, not U.K. fortunately. But as many pp have said it comes down to contract

3asAbird · 01/04/2021 17:02

Interesting usa shipped to Japan.
The uk is not the only country affected by EU unlawfully hijacking europes az production supplies.
I don't think Australia ever resolved the 250k doses Italy blocked.
Surely now to be able to use the blocked vaccines they have to use article 122.

uk.news.yahoo.com/blocked-eus-export-ban-japan-134245824.html

Itsalonghaul · 01/04/2021 17:03

EUs problem with AZ were nothing to do with their underdelivering, their bad reporting on trials and the possibility of side effects

Lets talk about the things you listed:

Under delivering ~ Az were delivering according to their legal contracts

Bad reporting ~ AZ reported correctly on all age groups, the last group of older participants was decided for ethical reasons - due to their advanced age if there were any problems with the vaccine it would unduly affect the older participants! You can hardly criticise any company for choosing the safest way to carry out trials. Now they have millions of reported outcomes, it is a old and out of date argument

Possibility of side effects ~ is just that! A possibility. Like all vaccines the companies take great care in collecting the data.

This is not about the EU 'thinking globally', how far fetched is that! It is quite the reverse, it is the EU bunker mentality that is prevalent, and it is hindering trust and confidence to such a degree that you are all now facing a catastrophic third wave and all that will mean....(and putting us all at risk with rising mutations)

3asAbird · 01/04/2021 17:12

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/eu-vaccines-war-astrazeneca-jabs-uk-michel-barnier-b927490.html

So many high profile people with EU speaking up.

It must be so confusing for European citizens and frustrating alll this chopping and changing of age groups.

Don't know if this article correct says only 10% eu citiziens had the az vaccine so majority of their rollout must be pfizer/moderna.

www.cnbc.com/2021/04/01/astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-europes-changing-rules-prompts-confusion.html

GibbsGibbsGibbs · 01/04/2021 17:26

[quote Baileysforchristmas]@GibbsGibbsGibbs if you are in Germany can you tell me how true the below article is?

Especially this bit

Without using GPs, each German state has had to build its own system for finding the right people in the right age groups for a jab appointment, with some inviting patients by letter, while others rely on being contacted via overburdened hotlines and creaky online portals. In Lower Saxony, authorities used post office records to seek out candidates for the first round of jabs, guessing people’s ages on the basis of their first names.

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/27/heroes-to-zeros-how-german-efficiency-wrecked-its-covid-vaccine-drive[/quote]
About this silly story about using names: I still don't understand how or why that happened, I think it was mostly due to some overzealous people misinterpreting the GDPR. In my home region letters were sent using address and age data from the population register, I don't see why that shouldn't have been possible elsewhere.
However, those letters were purely for information purposes and not a requirement to get a vaccine. The criteria for the different priority groups were clearly published and anybody in the corresponding group (at that time only the highest) was/is free to make an appointment.

However, there is another part of this article I think you should take note of because it's definitely true:
Contrary to some speculation in Britain, Merkel’s decision to heed the regulator’s advice had little to do with attempts to politicise the vaccine developed in Oxford University. Rather, it was the opposite: an affirmation of the belief that a cut-no-corners bureaucratic management culture can still win out against the virus.

Just because other European countries do things differently, it's not all directed against the UK!

OuiOuiKitty · 01/04/2021 17:51

@Itsalonghaul

EUs problem with AZ were nothing to do with their underdelivering, their bad reporting on trials and the possibility of side effects

Lets talk about the things you listed:

Under delivering ~ Az were delivering according to their legal contracts

Bad reporting ~ AZ reported correctly on all age groups, the last group of older participants was decided for ethical reasons - due to their advanced age if there were any problems with the vaccine it would unduly affect the older participants! You can hardly criticise any company for choosing the safest way to carry out trials. Now they have millions of reported outcomes, it is a old and out of date argument

Possibility of side effects ~ is just that! A possibility. Like all vaccines the companies take great care in collecting the data.

This is not about the EU 'thinking globally', how far fetched is that! It is quite the reverse, it is the EU bunker mentality that is prevalent, and it is hindering trust and confidence to such a degree that you are all now facing a catastrophic third wave and all that will mean....(and putting us all at risk with rising mutations)

That's your opinion, I and many others have a different one. I didn't expect a reply any different than your tbh, it's clear the AZ worship is strong on this thread Smile
CuriousaboutSamphire · 01/04/2021 17:58

I think it helps to separate European leaders of individual countries from comments about the EU.

Some of UvdLs lack of apparent logic exposes a more political than business or health agenda.

Norway had good reason to pause, their immediate concern was local and very real. Just as others have been, like the Moderna(?) query about vaccination technique.

What is less easy to understand is the actions and language used by some. Quasi effective; hidden vaccine stores etc.

We may never know why this has happened but it can't go unchallenged, can it?

MarshaBradyo · 01/04/2021 17:59

That's your opinion, I and many others have a different one. I didn't expect a reply any different than your tbh, it's clear the AZ worship is strong on this thread smile

This is a bit silly.

You either have slow production or not, contract is in breach or not and data shows it’s safe and effective or not.

If you have any grounds for complaints due process is there. Otherwise it’s blowing in the wind and harming rollout.

Up to individual countries of course. But preferable if your supply issues didn’t impact ours.

JamesAnderson · 01/04/2021 18:05

@MoChridhe

I just watched a piece on France 24 about Gibraltar. Over 90% of the population vaccinated. No new infections reported for many weeks now. They are now offering jabs to Spanish workers.
@MoChridhe that's brilliant news. It hopefully shows with a successful vaccine program we can get back to some sort of normal
Itsalonghaul · 01/04/2021 18:10

ouioui I didn't really expect you to return with a coherent response, you would be very hard pressed to do so, given your current predicament :)

3asAbird · 01/04/2021 18:12

If the UK has invested 25million in the Netherlands site will we just walk away and accept no vaccines from there.
For obvious reasons I don't trust uk press bias so sought out Dutch news .

www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/03/dutch-had-chance-to-invest-in-leiden-vaccine-maker-halix-nos/

Who reimburses us az or eu.
Its not like the UK is a charity.

Itsalonghaul · 01/04/2021 18:45

Is anyone else feeling tired at the thought of Easter lunch, decorating and all the rest?

I used to be so spritely, but I feel absolutely knackered after months of lockdown and homeschooling. I want to invite my friends over, but have zero energy to provide for them...anyone else seriously in need of a holiday not Easter?!!

Itsalonghaul · 01/04/2021 18:46

wrong thread!! :)

FourTeaFallOut · 01/04/2021 18:53

GrinWine

We have snow forecast for Easter Monday. 🥶I don't think anyone is up for alfresco lunches this weekend. Chicken sandwiches, Easter eggs and hot cross buns it is then.😁

Baileysforchristmas · 01/04/2021 19:09

@GibbsGibbsGibbs thanks for explaining

SunnyLovesCassie · 01/04/2021 19:14

We actually know someone quoted above. The spin on what they ACTUALLY said is amazing. The biggest issue at the mo is Brexit, but only because they had to adjust all the supply chains. These companies do actually produce other important drugs. I would laugh my head off at the idea that Big Pharma will all leave the Evil EU and set up in U.K, if it wasn't all so serious at the moment. Some of the assumptions made on this thread are actually deranged!

mumsneedwine · 01/04/2021 19:25

@SunnyLovesCassie it's not that they will leave EU, it's the incentives to set up new factories might not include having their products stollen by the EU if they just fancy it. It's not their vaccine, it's AZs. It's made from products from 19 countries and personally I think none of them should now send ingredients to EU, because I feel like being spiteful and petty too.

SunnyLovesCassie · 01/04/2021 19:26

Where I live we do have AZ in stock. For second doses. As here they will do them 4-5 weeks later vs 12.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 01/04/2021 19:27

‘personally I think none of them should now send ingredients to EU, because I feel like being spiteful and petty too.‘

Are you quite sure our own vaccine production isn’t using ingredients from the EU...?

SunnyLovesCassie · 01/04/2021 19:28

But the spiteful and petty is the take of the few of you on this thread from what I can see. You obviously know nothing about supply chains.

SunnyLovesCassie · 01/04/2021 19:29

And the vials and needles etc? Where are they made?

MarshaBradyo · 01/04/2021 19:32

We actually know someone quoted above. The spin on what they ACTUALLY said is amazing.

Are you referring to the Pfizer quotes in the media?

SunnyLovesCassie · 01/04/2021 19:32

Pfizer doesn't have much of its own manufacturing in Europe anymore. Most is outsourced to contract manufacturers.