EU threaten to cut off vaccine supply to the UK 3

[EasterIssland]

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@EasterIssland we do make AZ in this country. And rumblings that Pfizer might move production here too. Wonder why 😂

[quote mumsneedwine]@AnchorAmore because of the words that come out of their mouths. [/quote]
Anything specific that indicates hate?

Literally nothing to do with the U.K. bar you being impacted by supply as a side effect of the vaccines potentially being kept in the EU.

Yes well that impact will be discussed especially with people considering contracts

Also it hasn’t been literally nothing to do with us as nearly every EU spokesperson has mentioned Pfizer to U.K. and the 10m

[quote mumsneedwine]@EasterIssland we do make AZ in this country. And rumblings that Pfizer might move production here too. Wonder why 😂[/quote]
Yes I know but those 2m will need to be used in April/may for 2ndd doses... which means under 50s will have to wait for it, if we had more (india/eu) then we could be vaccinating 2nd + 1st doses

@jasjas1973 far too much to list. Just listen to VDLs last few press conferences. She just loves the UK

@mumsneedwine ah ok - can you link me to that press conference/ press conferences?

@jasjas1973 do you think the EU decisions on the rollout are good decisions? Do you agree with them? Do you think it will help with the overall vaccine rollout?

@AnchorAmore don't be daft, Google it!

Or search here for discussions about many of the press conferences.

They are being watched and dicussed on a daily basis, which is why many posters refer to them!

Here

www.politico.eu/article/von-der-leyen-has-no-knowledge-of-u-k-vaccine-exports/

One of those days when she had no knowledge of UK exporting doses of vaccine and, seemingly, no knowledge of anything else exported from here either! All whilst applying selective blocks on exports of vaccine to specific countries when her issue is with a manufacturer and still managing to say "European Union is the most open reliably exporting region in the world"

Think again... how did the EUs manufacturing bases get up to speed? Did they do that alone? With a vaccine they have complete control of? Or do they require some bits and bobs from other countries (hint - there are at least 19 of them)?

oh ffs - google

I hope pfizer does move here. This is only round 1 of vaccines really and the likelihood will be needs for tweaking, at least annual boosters in the medium term etc. It's a long game and the EU is scoring own goals and driving away the industries that are going to be integral to it.

It's been forecast since forever that pandemics where a when rather than an if issue. Quite happy to welcome pharma here and to partner and invest and support those industries in return for securing good contracts.

It's a model the EU would do well to be emulating rather than doing the absolute opposite haggling over prices and then doubling down on the wrong approach by threatening and creating export bans.

Come on guys, it’s time to come clean. This is a thread to bash the EU!

If you genuinely were concerned about AZ supply you would be discussing the India ban on exports just as frequently or more than the EU given it’s larger impact on vaccine supply.

You want to just all get together and talk about how awful the Eu are, how much they hate the U.K., how jealous they are of the U.K. and acting out of spite as a result, how sorry you feel for EU citizens and how the EU as a place to do business will be damaged while U.K. looks better than ever.

And that’s fine, that’s your right. Just quit pretending it’s a concern over AZ supply!

I'm struggling to see how anyone can defend their approach and actions unless it's sheer ideological tribalism that makes the EU beyond reproach.

They have behaved appallingly not least with threatening NI border arrangements and threatening to cut off exports to the UK despite the fact they rely on us exporting components to Pfizer. It has been ridiculous. How does anyone defend that rationally?

Oh! And don't forget GSK are now going to fill and finish Novovax here in the UK - not the original plan.

What changed their minds, do you think?

JasJas the university system here and research that goes with it is world renowned so I personally hope the U.K. government will continue to realise this huge asset. It must have funded this vaccine and I hope connections are promoted.

I rarely read Wired but they had an article on the university start ups. Nine out of ten survive past five years compared with two. I don’t have close insight to system at all but it felt positive.

India has a contract to supply their own countries needs first. Uk has the same contract. As does US. Therefore they are behaving legally hence we have no qualms. EU does not have that deal, does not own the products they are essentially trying to seize and is ignoring contract law and the basic trust and cooperation required to have a world with global trading and international cooperation to allow supply chains.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Oh! And don't forget GSK are now going to fill and finish Novovax here in the UK - not the original plan.

What changed their minds, do you think?

It might be the EU talking of export bans, but equally financial incentives might have been offered for them to do so (eg financial support in setting up facilities etc)

It's about a whole lot more than concern over az supplies - you're right. It's much bigger than that.

[quote Baileysforchristmas]@jasjas1973 do you think the EU decisions on the rollout are good decisions? Do you agree with them? Do you think it will help with the overall vaccine rollout?[/quote]
the premise of your question is completely wrong.... the EU has nothing to do with vaccine rollout, thats done to individual countries to implement.

On procurement, the EU was extremely naive, late to agree supplies and didn't tie down manufactures on supply like the UK did... so no.

If they had, would the UK have got such good supply? there appears to be a bottle neck on how much vaccine can produced atm.

@TheHoneyBadger

India has a contract to supply their own countries needs first. Uk has the same contract. As does US. Therefore they are behaving legally hence we have no qualms. EU does not have that deal, does not own the products they are essentially trying to seize and is ignoring contract law and the basic trust and cooperation required to have a world with global trading and international cooperation to allow supply chains.

Exactly

Anchor look at the contracts first

They’re at the centre of the issue

@AnchorAmore You really need to read round more. That has been discussed at length. General consensus:

• The UK is at the same disadvantage that the EU was with their AZ contract.
• The Indian government has first call in its contract with SII
• The UK was never SIIs intended market, we asked and were offered some
• The UK government response was not to even mention, let alone blame, SII/India for the loss of expected vaccines and to then go on to say nothing more than they understood, it's disappointing, hey ho!
• And then to offer any help SII might need with its manufactruing issue

Have a search, you'll find it!

Yes @BentBastard but the prompt to ask/offer isn't trivial!

It might be the EU talking of export bans, but equally financial incentives might have been offered for them to do so (eg financial support in setting up facilities etc)

All of the above I should think. Showing yourself as a supportive partner in investment and building infrastructure (rather than haggling over price and trying to use your size to force down price) and having a solid reputation for not throwing tantrums and threatening the global supply of vaccine components would definitely both be high on the list if I was choosing a base.

[quote mumsneedwine]@jasjas1973 far too much to list. Just listen to VDLs last few press conferences. She just loves the UK [/quote]
again, just EU bashing.

the UK provided VDL with protection from the Baader Meinhoff gang, she lived in London during this period.... she has said she loved it here... wild times! yet she hates the UK... yeah of course

@CuriousaboutSamphire hi thanks for the article. I read it but couldn’t see it saying anything about how the EU hate the U.K. and hate when the U.K. does well at anything without them.

Also the U.K. have not exported any vaccines so what was incorrect in what she said?

the university system here and research that goes with it is world renowned so I personally hope the U.K. government will continue to realise this huge asset. It must have funded this vaccine and I hope connections are promoted

Completely agree Marsha we are so much stronger working together.
there will be other crisis, maybe another Pandemic? and we'll all need friends, as we do in RL.

@jasjas1973 so the EU did not secure the right contract in their naivety? So do you think banning exports or export control is going to help deliver more vaccines to the EU?