Canada pauses AZ vaccines for under 55s (and says women most at risk)

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Please tell me this isn’t something to worry about: www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/canada-suspends-use-of-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-for-those-under-55

Speaking as a woman in her 30s who was immunised 4 days ago (article tells us the risk is for young women 4 - 20 days after vaccination), I’m panicking now. Yes I know it’s rare but so is dying of Covid in my age group so I’m wondering if I’ve made a huge mistake.

By the way I’m very pro vaccine and leapt on the chance to get one. I’m just feeling so anxious now.

If it was safe pharma and government would surely put their money where their mouth is and wouldn't have stopped any liability?

And when have we ever had a vaccine roll out whilst trials are ongoing?

Fucking hell! That escalated!

Where did you all come from? Scaring the shit out of each other over stats and medical opinions you have no expertise to decipher!

@MRex I backed out of this thread last night, when the angry "They are killing us" posts started. Sadly forgot to hide it. I am ging to do that now because, as we have seen before, once it gets to the point of considering the independent, patient led reporting systems to be fully subverted lies there is nothing you can do to undo that level of fear!

Anyone else who is here trying to work out what is actually happening abut blood clots can I suggest that this thread isn't going to be good for your anxiety levels as it is now full of misinformation, uninformed invective and a deliberate traducing of well kown systems of reporting.

Shout at me all you like, I am Hiding this now!

No vaccine nor any other medication is 100% without side effects. The over-reaction and inability to correctly compare the far higher risks of illness (covid) with side effects (vaccine) are a problem. Trying to scare other people by claiming lies with no evidence nor even a plausible scenario comes across very badly and I think it's very important to balance that with some facts.

MHRA and EMA have the interests of the general population in mind and if or when common factors behind these incredibly rare effects are identified then advice may change, until then it continues to be a fact that people are safer being vaccinated than not. Some country health authorities appear to be over-reacting and in some cases that will sadly lead to more deaths than it could hope to save by stopping vaccines while investigating such rare events.

@canigooutyet

And when have we ever had a vaccine roll out whilst trials are ongoing?

We don’t now. Well we might in terms of spacing the Pfizer doses but that’s nothing to do with blood clots that may or may not be linked to AZ.

Your lowest possible risk of preventing yourself getting a rare blood clot in the U.K. is by not getting covid and your best chance of doing that is by taking whichever vaccine is offered to you. Neither the U.K. nor the EU has said anything different.

@MRex You were telling us that the risks of covid for young people are substantially higher than the vaccine which has proven to be a lie.. when you factor in the number of jabs needed which is every few months the risks from the jab substantially increase. We aren't only talking about death, have you read the hundreds of women who have missed periods on the other thread?

Trying to scare other people by claiming lies

Some country health authorities appear to be over-reacting

it's very important to balance that with some facts.

Have you read over your own post?
Now YOU know more ‘facts’ than other countries combined health advisory teams?

Open your mind.

Stuffing your face with junk food, drinking alcohol is more like to over stretch the NHS with lifestyle choices... lets make both those illegal as well incase a bed is taken up by someone not eating lettuce leaves all day being a good compliant citizen

@MRex Some people will be more ill from covid others will be more ill from the vaccine. There is plenty of evidence Johnson and his cronies have lied in the past (Johnson has even been sacked twice for lying) so I think it’s completely reasonable for people to question whether we’re being told the whole truth.

It’s interesting you’re so quick to assume it’s our government that have the right approach. I wonder if there’s people on German mumsnet saying some countries’ health authorities are under-reacting.

Don’t forget a year ago the medical experts were telling us wearing masks didn’t help prevent the spread of covid and why did they do that? Because we didn’t have enough but instead of saying actually yes they would help but at the moment we don’t have enough so need to prioritise health workers they lied.

I had the AZ vaccination.
I had no side effects.
I am exceedingly grateful to everyone who;
Developed the AZ vaccine
Procured the vaccine
Distributed the vaccine.
I do feel sorry for those in other countries who have been repeatedly let down by their politicians regarding procurement and supply.
I

Really baffled why no one mentions the Pfizer data , and MHRA data as reported, that apparently show Pfizer having similar numbers reporting blood clots, if not slightly more?

Perhaps because that would show that clots are not specifically vaccine related, but people related as both vaccines are very differently composed.

Not to mention the fact that the cheap, available not for profit vaccine AZ, is hoovering up orders, that would otherwise go to Pfizer.

The fearmongering nonsense spouted on this thread seems co ordinated, in order to
subvert, quite frankly. Politically it would be the UK govt in the firing line, after all, if AZ alone turned out to be potentially lethal.

Now, who might want to see the collapse of the UK govt I wonder......

The balance of risks is not similar and it is disingenuous to suggest that it is

30/17 million blood clotting episodes. 1 death.

Deaths from Covid even for under 40s are 1000 in a million people

It is not some kind of equivalent risk. It is extremely clear that the risk of death or serious complications from COVID far outweighs the risk of death or serious complications from the vaccine.

Even the Dr that discovered this condition says that he would not advise anyone not to have the vaccine.

If the government stopped vaccinating people because of this rare side effect then overall more people would die (assuming, as is the case, that we do not have enough of the alterations vaccines)

The 30 U.K. cases the sex and age are not published so people saying these cases are all under 60
Women can't know that.

I should know better than to post on a thread that HeatherMary is posting on but I am sorry for all the people who are having their anxiety unnecessarily stoked by goady posters.

The fearmongering nonsense spouted on this thread seems co ordinated,

Ah the usual accusations of being conspiracy theorists who want to bring down the Gov by posting on MN is here at last, You are a bit late but we’ve heard it all before so never mind. Now we just need the anti vaxxers accusations and we have a full house.

Don't want vaccine, don't have vaccine. It's really very simple. Lots of other people very happy to have it right now so step aside. I'm under 55 as are most of my friends and we were so relieved to get AZ in our arms. No one seems to have become a zombie just yet.

Isn’t the Pfizer data related to overall blood clots and that data is the same for AZ I.e. no overall increase in the expected number of blood clots. Whereas what we are talking about is an increase in a specific type of rare blood clot with AZ which hasn’t been seen in Pfizer.

This AZ protectionism on here is weird. Is this all Boris’ PR messaging hitting home?

Now, who might want to see the collapse of the UK govt I wonder......

Norway and Canada?

Norway and Canada? 🤣🤣😜

Rafals is correct

Normal common blood clots eg DVT/ PE are less in vaccinated people and the same with both vaccines.

VIPIT/HIT/ whatever it's being called is a specific very very rare disorder of low PLTs and clotting that is possibly being linked to the AZ vaccine alone. However the risk is very very small 1 in a million to 1/100000 and that is much smaller than the risk of dying from COVID even for a person under 40.

The position where you are not concerned about dying from COVID as a person under 40 is a fair one. It's overwhelmingly likely to be mild in under 40s

However you cannot then simultaneously be very very concerned about something that is much much rarer than dying from COVID. That makes no logical sense. If your not concerned about a bad effect of COVID why are you concerned about a hundreds of times rarer bad effect of a vaccine

I think this only happens because people have such a poor science and mathematical education in the U.K and cannot understand relative risk or scientific uncertainty.
People are asking for reassurance of 100% safety and yet the chances of this complication are 0.001% so you are 99.999% safe from it and that's still not good enough???

I personally am not concerned about either risk from COVID or risk from the vaccine as both are too small to worry about IMHO. I had my vaccine largely so that I cannot infect more vulnerable people and the world can go back to normal.

Australia is not part of the clot:

www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-australia-idUSKBN2BP0CI

Sorry, that should have read plot.

😂😂😂

On a serious point do note that this was a man.

[quote Heathermary1995]@MRex You were telling us that the risks of covid for young people are substantially higher than the vaccine which has proven to be a lie.. when you factor in the number of jabs needed which is every few months the risks from the jab substantially increase. We aren't only talking about death, have you read the hundreds of women who have missed periods on the other thread?[/quote]
You mean here, where everyone said it was fine except 2 people who said their period was delayed; one by 4 days and one by a month: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/4207540-Anyone-had-AZ-and-NOT-had-it-affect-their-period.

The risks of covid are far higher than the risks of the vaccine. I've posted sources with real information to allow people to see facts for themselves. You've posted nothing but inflammatory garbage, then call the facts I posted from government sources "a lie". Have a word with yourself, this isn't how to behave.

1 man out of 200,000 vaccines administered (apparently mainly AZ) and the Australian regulator has not paused their rollout despite very low COVID cases

So I guess they are not part of the dastardly Canadian/ German/Norwegian 'plot'

I really don't believe in plots except in LOD. I just think that different countries can make different decisions for their populations on the same evidence based on lots of different factors including the risk of COVID in that particular country and people's attitudes to vaccination and to risk in that country overall.

The U.K. government made some bad decisions and I a no huge fan of Boris and the Tories but it made some good ones too. Eg Our 12 week 2nd dose gap has now been vindicated as a good decision although others were more cautious about that.

Our 12 week 2nd dose gap has now been vindicated
I agree for AZ but has this been proven for the Pfizer? I really hope so. One of my elderly clinically vulnerable relatives has had to wait 11 weeks. The other elderly family members all got their 2nd jab before the 3 week gap was extended.