Canada pauses AZ vaccines for under 55s (and says women most at risk)

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Please tell me this isn’t something to worry about: www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/canada-suspends-use-of-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-for-those-under-55

Speaking as a woman in her 30s who was immunised 4 days ago (article tells us the risk is for young women 4 - 20 days after vaccination), I’m panicking now. Yes I know it’s rare but so is dying of Covid in my age group so I’m wondering if I’ve made a huge mistake.

By the way I’m very pro vaccine and leapt on the chance to get one. I’m just feeling so anxious now.

Recommending that a vaccine is not given to a specific age group is not the same as banning it is it?

Denmark still aren’t using it, their investigations are ongoing. Their findings are/will be the ones to follow.

@anyoldtime

Recommending that a vaccine is not given to a specific age group is not the same as banning it is it?

Denmark still aren’t using it, their investigations are ongoing. Their findings are/will be the ones to follow.

Denmark has a population of 5.8m. The UK has already vaccinated over 5 times that number with AZ. Why would you think Denmark will have more information than the UK? It's very rare, so many millions of reports are needed to verify a connection (if there is one) and the link (genetics / other medication / having covid etc).

Those criticising the yellow card scheme, that has been used since 1964. It's very well established. The EU equivalent is the EudraVigilance database; it's exactly the same structure but used by EU countries.

And the poor sod who are effected by the side effects wi!l get no financial help under the vaccination compo scheme. (Forget the proper name)

Wonder if they will be able to claim PIP/ESA because it's still in the experimental stage?

Why would you think Denmark will have more information than the UK?
Because they are not, in their haste to make headlines by having the fastest vaccine rollout at any cost, injecting people. They are waiting, they are investigating, they are not playing roulette with people’s lives.
For those saying ‘only 30’, how would you feel if you had to tell your kids you were one of the 30?

Ok, again - how are they going to find anything more by doing nothing?

You do know most didn't die, right? Some of them will need to take medication for a few months but are otherwise fine.

I think part the problem is this government has proved time and time again there is nothing they won’t lie about. Combine that with the fact that the majority of their vaccine eggs are firmly in the Astra Zeneca basket would they admit to an increased risk?

how are they going to find anything more by doing nothing?

What do you mean ‘doing nothing’? Do you mean they are not doing experiments with their own population? They are investigating, gathering info from the European countries that have used it. They are waiting for time to pass so issues come to light.
At this stage AZ’s reputation is so tarnished it would be better to pull it completely. It doesn’t matter what ‘stats’ the UK Gov provide. The Gov have shown themselves over and over to be untrustworthy.

I think many are missing the point- lets assume the risks are negligible from blood clots. Why would a healthy young person want the whole list of other side effects reported by hundreds of people on this site alone ranging from missed periods, laid up in bed for 2-3 days every few months. The people that have had both vaccines realise you will be going through it all again in Autumn I presume?

@Username198

I think part the problem is this government has proved time and time again there is nothing they won’t lie about. Combine that with the fact that the majority of their vaccine eggs are firmly in the Astra Zeneca basket would they admit to an increased risk?

Who do you mean by "this government" and what "lie"? It's standard practice for doctors to submit yellow card reports; are you suggesting that the MHRA are falsifying reports from UK NHS doctors? Who do you believe has asked them to do this and how do you believe it is occurring? I mean actually how; how are reports that go into a central database with transparent reporting being hidden?

Yes I think they are aware of issues, that they are not disclosing everything they know about the dangers of AZ. I also think they don’t care if they lose people along the way.

So mhra is lying
Ema is lying
Everyone investigating it are lying.

Blimey can’t believe how much power does az and bojos government have that are making everyone lie around the world !

@Heathermary1995

I think many are missing the point- lets assume the risks are negligible from blood clots. Why would a healthy young person want the whole list of other side effects reported by hundreds of people on this site alone ranging from missed periods, laid up in bed for 2-3 days every few months. The people that have had both vaccines realise you will be going through it all again in Autumn I presume?

I just had a mild headache (gone with paracetamol), and supposedly the first dose of Oxford AZ gives more side effects than the second. It was no bother and lots of people are similar, you're seeking out bad reports and ignoring good.

Risks from covid are not negligible for young people. Have a look at these mortality rates, they are dramatically higher than these

@anyoldtime

Yes I think they are aware of issues, that they are not disclosing everything they know about the dangers of AZ. I also think they don’t care if they lose people along the way.

Please state who "they" are and exactly how it is possible for them to hide the information.

They = Borris Johnson/Advisors.

I hope I’m wrong. As someone who has had the first dose of AZ, I really do.

@EasterIssland

So mhra is lying Ema is lying Everyone investigating it are lying.

Blimey can’t believe how much power does az and bojos government have that are making everyone lie around the world !

I think they continually tread the line between incompetence and lies which most governments in the human race have done since time began. China are clearly lying about how covid started which has over 1 billion people in it so hardly unexpected a country our size is also riddled with corruption and lies also.

NHS hospitals discharging patients to their deaths in care homes infecting thousands killing people at the end of life clearly occurred yet good luck with getting any politician to apologise for that.. they do what they always do , squirm and dodge with rhetoric about lessons being learnt. I've noticed over decades of measures which have killed people directly and indirectly not related to covid there are always " lessons to be learnt " but so far no graduation from the lessons.

There is no doubt that doctors don't want to acknowledge (or, to be fair to them, cannot be sure) that any SINGLE health problem they come across has been caused by the vaccine and merits a Yellow Card report. So, for example, when a friend of mine with a severe autoimmune condition was rushed to hospital following (yes) the AZ vaccine the ambulance people immediately said it was a response to the vaccine but later in the hospital that was very much glossed over and doctors didn't want to discuss it. You can't really blame them. They are under pressure to maintain confidence in the vaccine because for the high risk groups it makes sense they get fully vaccinated.

@Heathermary1995 politicians ? Yeah they lie. But I can’t understand what benefit would mhra and Ema get if they’re lying about this

@MRex the death rates for the under 18s are much less than 1 in a million using even your graph of doom as a gauge .. it'd help if you knew what you are talking about able to realise figures UNDER 0.1 per 100,000 cases is less than 1 in a million

Others have mentioned that when they have reported side effects to their gps they are dismissed and not putting details in the card system.
Not everyone knows about the card system or that they can self report.

@Fieldofmemes

There is no doubt that doctors don't want to acknowledge (or, to be fair to them, cannot be sure) that any SINGLE health problem they come across has been caused by the vaccine and merits a Yellow Card report. So, for example, when a friend of mine with a severe autoimmune condition was rushed to hospital following (yes) the AZ vaccine the ambulance people immediately said it was a response to the vaccine but later in the hospital that was very much glossed over and doctors didn't want to discuss it. You can't really blame them. They are under pressure to maintain confidence in the vaccine because for the high risk groups it makes sense they get fully vaccinated.

You can blame them, they are refusing to acknowledge even know side effects listed as possible. Those who are affected by vaccines are then put under psychological duress to self deny the possible connection and constantly are told they are liars. Being ok after a vaccine is just as anecdotal as not being.

@MRex

This government = the UK government and as for what lies take your pick. For example how’s the £350m a week working out for the NHS, Jennifer Arcuri, no border checks in Ireland, Marcus Rashford and feeding underprivileged kids, all the Ppe contracts given out to their mates. I could go on...

[quote Heathermary1995]@MRex the death rates for the under 18s are much less than 1 in a million using even your graph of doom as a gauge .. it'd help if you knew what you are talking about able to realise figures UNDER 0.1 per 100,000 cases is less than 1 in a million[/quote]
We aren't talking about under 18s, we're talking about adults. Try looking again.

So we have people who don't understand the difference between politicians and MHRA, who think doctors serve Boris Johnson's requests over patient needs, and who think they get better medical advice from a friend over the phone than a doctor in hospital. Where exactly have you all crawled out from?

@MRex Not quite sure how you’ve reached that conclusion from what has been said here but if there is absolutely nothing to be concerned about and the vaccine is guaranteed 100% safe (be it blood clots or any other side effect not yet detected) why are other countries suspending its use/banning for certain age groups?

MRex Why are you so in denial about issues relating to AZ? An educated mind is an open mind, We are not in North Korea.