Canada pauses AZ vaccines for under 55s (and says women most at risk)

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Please tell me this isn’t something to worry about: www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/canada-suspends-use-of-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-for-those-under-55

Speaking as a woman in her 30s who was immunised 4 days ago (article tells us the risk is for young women 4 - 20 days after vaccination), I’m panicking now. Yes I know it’s rare but so is dying of Covid in my age group so I’m wondering if I’ve made a huge mistake.

By the way I’m very pro vaccine and leapt on the chance to get one. I’m just feeling so anxious now.

if only one person is vaccinated that singular person won’t have any protection. The more people that are vaccinated the more protection will have.

No, that is not what it means. That individual person will have individual protection against the virus. (if the vaccine induces a sufficient immune response in them - which the clinical trials have shown that it does in most people).

Ok, let’s assume that the vaccine has induced a sufficient immune response in that person to confer protection against serious illness. If they come across the virus, they will not become seriously ill. How well their own vaccine works to protect them has absolutely nothing to do with anyone else’s vaccine around them. You seem to be conflating the idea of individual protection from a vaccine with herd immunity - which happens when enough people have their own individual protection - immunity from either previously being infected or from vaccination - to prevent the virus spreading as easily through the community. Other people being vaccinated will not somehow increase an individual’s own immune response to a vaccine.

Anyone interested in understanding more about how the immune system responds to covid, this is a good read: www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.01441/full.

Does anyone know when j&js vaccination will start circulating?

@MRex just to remind you of your original comment and the one I was replying to:

From tomorrow, day 22, until my next vaccine on 7th June it has 76% efficacy.”

Your individual vaccine does not have 76% efficacy for you (for a start you’re using efficacy incorrectly - you are not in a clinical trial).

I didn’t say the 24% had no protection. I said they didn’t have the same protection as the other 76%, based on whatever threshold was used.

It’s not quite as simple as that because it’s actually calculated as a reduction in risk but, regardless, no, your vaccine does not have ‘76% efficacy’ in you.

there was a lady on here who posted about her friend habing blood clots i cant seem to find the post as im having trouble loading pages but i keep wondering how her friend is

@Littlechickenlegs

Does anyone know when j&js vaccination will start circulating?

J&J vaccine will start deliveries next week but it has yet to be approved by the MHRA.

@bumbleymummy - yes, I used the average. Without antibody tests it's a useful shorthand. What was actually happening is that I was having a friendly conversation with another poster who was vaccinated at a similar time to me. A conversation that you diverted (as you do so often) because yet again you insist on posting incorrect information implying that a younger vaccinated person has a 24% change of having no immunity after 22 days. We have covered this same point on several threads now, so you cannot be unaware of your mistake.

@MRex I’m sorry but you are the one spreading incorrect information here. You do not have an individual percentage of immunity.

caram I find it amazing - in a good way - that people can be very unwell after a vaccine for two weeks and still remain happy to have had it, if they are at a very low risk for covid.

It’s taken my mum 6 weeks to recover from hers - an issue like yours, rather than clots, but as she is older she thinks it makes sense to get the next one.

I would agree with her but I can’t afford to be ill for a fortnight. I’m actually never ill with viruses which has made me both complacent and also very careful with what I do to my body

I’m disappointed the vaccine hasn’t been paused for younger women. I completely understand why it hasn’t and the decision makes sense to me from a public health perspective. But from an individual and vaccine trust perspective, I think it’s very wrong.

The page loading has been soooo slow today!

Covid itself is a big risk for blood clots.

www.hriuk.org/health/your-health/lifestyle/people-with-coronavirus-are-at-risk-of-blood-clots-and-strokes

However, higher rates of strokes in patients with COVID-19 is somewhat unusual because it also seems to be happening in people under 50 years of age, with no other risk factors for stroke.

[quote bumbleymummy]@MRex I’m sorry but you are the one spreading incorrect information here. You do not have an individual percentage of immunity.[/quote]
You're not sorry, you have zero understanding of vaccines and how they work, and you are playing semantics to avoid admitting that you simply didn't understand the reduction in severe disease and hospitalisations. You don't want a vaccine, that's fine, but please stop trying to put others off by spreading misinformation, it's not how decent humans behave.

The Astrazeneca Trials in children and teenagers has been paused:

www.wsj.com/articles/oxford-pauses-dosing-in-trial-of-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-in-children-teenagers-11617729303

I despair at this trial having taken place so soon in younger people.

Am I the mad one?!

[quote MrsIsobelCrawley]The Astrazeneca Trials in children and teenagers has been paused:

www.wsj.com/articles/oxford-pauses-dosing-in-trial-of-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccine-in-children-teenagers-11617729303[/quote]
Seems like it’s because of the blood clots situation until it’s been fully investigated rather than because the kids are having secondsry effects

@Roonerspismed

I despair at this trial having taken place so soon in younger people.

Am I the mad one?!

Pfizer has also done its trial and also j&j. It’s expected a vaccine for underage people will be released in 2022

The experts are continuing to review the situation like they have been constantly since the roll out. The trial on kids has been paused. Quite rightly because less children have had the jab.

Unless the numbers of clots in the UK go up significantly more nothing has changed. We have vaccinated 20 million people with AZ so far. Our experts used to make up a very large percentage of the EU regulators. That is partly why they have struggled to approve vaccines faster than us. We are very good at this type of thing. Nothing to do with the government. They can only act on what the regulators tell them to do. Thank goodness.

It was mainly because they used a different method of approval than the U.K. though, rather than the fact we used to do a large amount of work for them over 2 years ago.

@mrsisobelcrawley thank you

@MRex I have no problems understanding how vaccines work and I clearly understand it better than you. If you look back to other threads, you’ll see that it has been discussed and explained by others too , if you don’t want to take my word for it. You’re not the only one to get this wrong but most people are happy to have things clarified for them. Your interpretation of having a certain % of immunity as an individual is incorrect. (As was your use of ‘efficacy’.)

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay

It was mainly because they used a different method of approval than the U.K. though, rather than the fact we used to do a large amount of work for them over 2 years ago.

True but we also had plenty experienced people to throw at the thing. People that worked to the same standard as the EMA do now etc.That is what I was referring too. We have some very good people on this and the public need to trust them.

@bumbleymummy - I didn't say that I have 76% efficacy, I said from day 22 to day 90 IT, i.e. the vaccine overall, has shown 76% efficacy in the latest US trial. It's really not my fault that you misread it as "I", nor that you don't understand what 100% reduction in hospitalisations and severe disease means in terms of what the vaccine is doing. Now please stop side-tracking someone else's thread with your personal issues.

@Roonerspismed

I despair at this trial having taken place so soon in younger people.

Am I the mad one?!

No you are not the mad one at all. It's crazy.

I remember the thread with people ask if they would put their own children forward and so many people yes! Of course they would. Why wouldn't they?

I found it all really strange and worrying how people were talking on that thread.

I know what 100% reduction in hospitalisations/deaths means, thanks. :) That’s not the post I challenged you on.

You said ‘it has 76% efficacy. ’ (no mention of the trial) and in the context of how it was protecting you. You can try to back track all you like. Another poster (or two) also misinterpreted your comment as an individual % protection level and I have seen it interpreted this way before which was why I felt the need to comment.

More than happy to leave it there. Hopefully it’s clarified things for a few people.

There are children that have to shield until they can have the vaccine. Of course we need to trial it on kids. Unless you suggest they stay shielding until they are 16/18 years old or after a few years of use. If we actually need to roll the vaccine out to all kids is a different question. It is looking very unlikely the virus will mutate to be more harmful to children. However having the approval for children if we need it fast. Then definitely a good thing.

For those who were shouting about a cover up, it’s currently the lead story on Newsnight (a well known BBC mainstream news programme) .