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Boringlynormal · 2021-03-30T09:18:55+00:00

Please tell me this isn’t something to worry about: [[https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/canada-suspends-use-of-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine-for-those-under-55]] Speaking as a woman in her 30s who was immunised 4 days ago (article tells us the risk is for young women 4 - 20 days after vaccination), I’m panicking now. Yes I know it’s rare but so is dying of Covid in my age group so I’m wondering if I’ve made a huge mistake. By the way I’m very pro vaccine and leapt on the chance to get one. I’m just feeling so anxious now.

MrsFezziwig · 06/04/2021 23:44

For those who were shouting about a cover up, it’s currently the lead story on Newsnight (a well known BBC mainstream news programme) . It mentions that the children’s trial has been paused until further information has been acquired about the adult blood clotting issues, not because of any issues thrown up by the trial itself.

MrsFezziwig · 06/04/2021 23:46

Not sure why that posted twice - this site is behaving very weirdly tonight!

MRex · 07/04/2021 10:07

For those looking at numbers to compare covid disease risks with vaccine risks: www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56650125
Strokes affected 2% of all Covid patients, rising to 7% of those admitted to ICU and 9% of those who had delirium.

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Boringlynormal · 07/04/2021 10:11

I think like for like, it seems like Covid is way riskier. But that doesn’t factor in that you may not get Covid at all. So you can’t really trade it off as there’s your risk of getting Covid plus your risk of serious side effects versus your risk of side effects with a vaccine.

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MRex · 07/04/2021 10:16

I don't think any of us will avoid covid forever, life has to get back to normal or our economies and ways of life will be destroyed. Maybe my view is skewed because I live in London, have a child and sometimes travel - all of which all increase exposure risk.

bumbleymummy · 07/04/2021 10:50

2% patients. Hospitalisation for younger/healthier people is uncommon. So you need to factor in the risk of being hospitalised, dependent on age/underlying health risks and then consider the risk of stroke by age/underlying health risk in order to make a comparison with the risk of blood clots in an otherwise healthy, young person.

Canigooutyet · 07/04/2021 11:15

Have searched for the answer. Have asked the question on other threads.

It's my understanding that with the vaccination you can still get CV on a milder level which does help to reduce hospital stay and of course deaths.

However if you still get the virus after vaccination what about Long Covid?

BuggerBognor · 07/04/2021 11:29

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Tealightsandd · 07/04/2021 11:30

It's a good question Canigooutyet. I'd be interested to know too. I assume once 80%+ are jabbed, it's less likely purely because the risk of actually catching it in the first place drastically reduces. Until then, I don't know but hopefully someone else will.

nordica · 07/04/2021 12:06

There are already one, possibly two, alternative vaccines available, so why not just offer those to younger/middle aged women who seem to be most at risk?

In theory there are alternatives but in real terms there aren't many alternatives available in the near future so it would also delay the roll out by several months. Even when the rest of the Moderna stock arrives, there are only enough doses for 8.5 million people. Jansen/J&J is not due to arrive until July, and the Novavax is also not due until late summer/early autumn. And who knows about Pfizer but currently it's needed for 2nd doses.

SempreSuiGeneris · 07/04/2021 12:15

The other side of the Realpolitick is that some 18m people have already had 1st dose of AZ in the UK. If a pragmatic decision is made to halt roll out below age 50 of AZ then this would impact roughly 5m+ who are below this age but had AZ already and also cause hesitancy in the other 13m above the threshold. (I picked 50 rather than 30 as this is the 1-9 higher risk from Covid evaluation). Suspect the real reason for pushing on with 2nd dose while pausing younger age ranges is to side step this as opposed to "supply issues".

Tealightsandd · 07/04/2021 12:26

I suspect the opposite SempreSuiGeneris A concern over an extremely rare clot that's been heavily linked (with more cases) to covid itself. Just so happens there's a concern when supply is limited. That's one way to dampen demand...

FourWordsImMuNiTy · 07/04/2021 12:31

Really Tealights? That’s a hell of a conspiracy if it involves the Norwegian, French, German and Canadian regulators in an attempt to damp down demand due to a temporary supply failure in the UK.

SempreSuiGeneris · 07/04/2021 12:38

The EU are already so far behind and in a muddle and have so much existing vax scepticism I doubt they are actively trying to make it worse.

EasterIssland · 07/04/2021 13:38

@SempreSuiGeneris

The other side of the Realpolitick is that some 18m people have already had 1st dose of AZ in the UK. If a pragmatic decision is made to halt roll out below age 50 of AZ then this would impact roughly 5m+ who are below this age but had AZ already and also cause hesitancy in the other 13m above the threshold. (I picked 50 rather than 30 as this is the 1-9 higher risk from Covid evaluation). Suspect the real reason for pushing on with 2nd dose while pausing younger age ranges is to side step this as opposed to "supply issues".

imo one of those, 36y and with 1 dose of of az, I'd rather have my second that mixing it with any other vaccine

Schulte · 07/04/2021 13:40

There's going to be a press conference at 3pm. MHRA, JCVI and EMA all due to make statements today. Will be interesting to see what they have concluded. Fingers crossed for good news.

NRCS · 07/04/2021 13:51

I am 49 and due my second AZ in 4 weeks - I will be pissed if I cant get it!

I'd be happy to have a third/booster of one of the mRNA vaccines but want to complete both AZ for optimal protection.

Ridgere · 07/04/2021 13:54

Where are all those people who were all up on their high horses when some of us said we were hesitant to get a brand new vaccine? Ranting about trusting the science and calling us stupid for being worried because phase III trials had been completed and the vaccine couldn't POSSIBLY cause any harm and didn't we know how stupid we were being? Where the fuck are they now?

EasterIssland · 07/04/2021 13:56

@NRCS

I am 49 and due my second AZ in 4 weeks - I will be pissed if I cant get it!

I'd be happy to have a third/booster of one of the mRNA vaccines but want to complete both AZ for optimal protection.

I want az as well, mine is vaccine passport reasons, I want/need to travel to Europe and AZ is approved so can be used. II'm not sure whether mix matchings are approved nor Novavax so taking into account the risk is minimum... I'd rather have what would allow me seeing my family easier

NRCS · 07/04/2021 14:03

@Ridgere

Where are all those people who were all up on their high horses when some of us said we were hesitant to get a brand new vaccine? Ranting about trusting the science and calling us stupid for being worried because phase III trials had been completed and the vaccine couldn't POSSIBLY cause any harm and didn't we know how stupid we were being? Where the fuck are they now?

I know! Hilarious isn't it? Remember when it was all - mRNA vaccines like Pfizer are all untested! It' deadly new technology! They modify your DNA! It's gene therapy! They're modifying our DNA to make us compliant slaves! and now everyone wants them because the slightly more conventional type has a potential side effect that might effect 20 or so people. The irony.

I'd happily have AZ, Pfizer or Moderna. I don't really want Novovax as its older, more basic vaccine technology and I think we need creative solutions for Covid - but I'd happily take it if only one offered (and efficacy looks similar to be fair)

FatCatThinCat · 07/04/2021 14:53

@Ridgere

Where are all those people who were all up on their high horses when some of us said we were hesitant to get a brand new vaccine? Ranting about trusting the science and calling us stupid for being worried because phase III trials had been completed and the vaccine couldn't POSSIBLY cause any harm and didn't we know how stupid we were being? Where the fuck are they now?

And the ones insisting that other countries being wary of it was all driven by anti UK politics. Nothing at all to do with their scientists looking to protect their citizens.

cathyandclare · 07/04/2021 15:02

The European Medicines Agency’s safety committee concludes that “unusual blood clots with low blood platelets should be listed as very rare side effects” of the #AstraZeneca vaccine but continue to say that vaccine benefits outweigh risk

Sounds reasonable

EasterIssland · 07/04/2021 15:03

@cathyandclare

The European Medicines Agency’s safety committee concludes that “unusual blood clots with low blood platelets should be listed as very rare side effects” of the #AstraZeneca vaccine but continue to say that vaccine benefits outweigh risk

Sounds reasonable

this is not from today that comment ii think, ema hasn't started talking yet

RedcurrantPuff · 07/04/2021 15:04

@NRCS

I am 49 and due my second AZ in 4 weeks - I will be pissed if I cant get it!

I'd be happy to have a third/booster of one of the mRNA vaccines but want to complete both AZ for optimal protection.

Same here, well I’m 47 but I’ll be so fucked off this delays or means I don’t get a second dose.