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And so it begins - with pubs?

635 replies

MistressoftheDarkSide · 24/03/2021 22:36

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/24/pubs-should-decide-whether-to-demand-vaccine-passports-pm-says

Some rather good points raised in the article to be fair

OP posts:
poppycat10 · 25/03/2021 10:48

What makes you think it doesn't protect others?! The evidence suggests it does

Yes it protects you and there is now evidence that it also stops you transmitting it. But it's not my job to have the vaccine to protect you, it's your job to have the vaccine to protect you.

(yes I know some people can't have the vaccine but that's true of all vaccines, and probably far less true of this one as there are several options so if you are allergic to one, there is a good chance that you can get a different one)

LindaEllen · 25/03/2021 10:48

I actually agree with it. But. You can't put it in place until everyone's had the option of getting the vaccine.

And then, something would need to be put in place for those who simply can't have it. Basically, if you're eligible and you've been invited, you need to have had it before you're allowed in.

Otherwise this shit show will continue.

poppycat10 · 25/03/2021 10:49

Not sure why it's such a problem for some people. You have to prove your age to drink in a pub - this isn't that different

it is different because I look old enough not to have to prove I am over 18 (or 25). This will affect everyone.

ChristinaYang10 · 25/03/2021 10:49

@Belladonna12

That’s another thing with boris’s “pubs can choose to do it if they want” comment. If the government aren’t involved in implementing it, it exempts them from having to implement a proper system of confirming someone is exempt from the vaccine. As I understand it only a small number of people cannot have the vaccine, but still, they exist, and presumably have no way of proving to anyone that they are exempt.

They don't have any way of proving it at the moment but that doesn't mean they won't have a way in the future. There is no vaccine certificate at the moment either.

Really? They never bothered for masks. The law just said you didn’t have to wear one if medically exempt, but as people had no way of proving it, genuinely exempt people got lumped in with people who just didn’t want to and suffered verbal abuse because of it. I wouldn’t hold my breath for an exemption certificate.
Belladonna12 · 25/03/2021 10:51

@MaxNormal

There are very few people who can't have the vaccine. I think at the moment it is only pregnant women or those with severe allergies

I can't have the vaccine and it's for neither of the reasons you state. Do you have any medical qualifications or are you just stating an uninformed opinion as fact?
My consultant has confirmed there's been no guidance on any exemptions, he said it's political not medical now.

I do have medical qualifications. It is only contraindicated in those with hypersensitivity. And obviously not advice for pregnant women at the moment.
canigooutyet · 25/03/2021 10:53

Didn't the mask thing start off as voluntary unless you have exemptions? Then it became the law unless you have exemptions.

And how have things been so far for those who are exempt? Fucking shit with entitled wankers thinking they can get in your space to publicly humiliate you. Threats of violence. Vile fuckers spitting at the vulnerable etc.

Never mind the just wear a lanyard which of course the exempt did to have people say well now there's too many wearing the lanyard, so there must be loads of people faking it, the person I saw wearing it looked ok etc. Forgetting one of the exemptions is MH and lets face it, one of the causes of MH is from trauma of things like being forcibly tied and gagged.

pinkearedcow · 25/03/2021 10:54

My consultant has confirmed there's been no guidance on any exemptions, he said it's political not medical now

Political in what way @MaxNormal?

TheDailyFailHasLazyStaff · 25/03/2021 10:56

I agree with it. Why not allow businesses the choice?

It's very unlikely that all pubs would restrict entry.

And perhaps local authorities can be involved to ensure equal access. Eg make sure that any pub which is the only pub in the village etc is not allowed to restrict entry.

Youngatheart00 · 25/03/2021 10:56

It’s going to be October (or later?) before the under 40s have had both jabs. It’s not logical or fair to keep that population from socialising until then. And pubs aren’t going to want to turn away business

MaxNormal · 25/03/2021 10:57

I do have medical qualifications. It is only contraindicated in those with hypersensitivity. And obviously not advice for pregnant women at the moment

I'll be sure and tell my consultant who has said I shouldn't have it that some randomer on MN who claims to have unspecified medical qualifications, disagrees with him then shall I?

@pinkearedcow he didn't specify, he said it as a bit of an aside then changed the subject.

starfishmummy · 25/03/2021 10:58

How are they going to sort out vaccine passports? The ship has sailed on that one. They don't have the wherewithal to sort it out in retrospect- should have been given them with the vaxx.

You mean like the card we were given when we had our vaccine?

canigooutyet · 25/03/2021 10:59

[quote cinammonbuns]@canigooutyet I don’t know why people constantly bring up ‘natural immunity’, same as the vaccine we have no idea how long it actually lasts. And do you really expect the NHS to fund tests to see if people have antibodies. It’s completely impractical. Also nobody is going to take someone word for it that they have had Covid recently.[/quote]
Erm we also don't know how long immunity from the vaccine lasts either.

Why would it be the NHS that pays? If people are willing to pay for the quick tests then surely they will also be willing to pay for an immunity test?

Or of course businesses would have to increase prices to cover costs. However, cinema owners and others have said no to this because it will become unaffordable for the cinema user.

dingit · 25/03/2021 10:59

@starfishmummy

How are they going to sort out vaccine passports? The ship has sailed on that one. They don't have the wherewithal to sort it out in retrospect- should have been given them with the vaxx.

You mean like the card we were given when we had our vaccine?

Anybody could get hold of those and give them out/sell them
pinkearedcow · 25/03/2021 11:00

he didn't specify, he said it as a bit of an aside then changed the subject

I see.

sirfredfredgeorge · 25/03/2021 11:00

You mean like the card we were given when we had our vaccine?

It would take 5 minutes to print such a thing yourself.

They don't even contain a name.

It would be utterly pointless using such a card as a passport.

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 25/03/2021 11:03

There's a place on the card for writing your name though.

AaronPurr · 25/03/2021 11:04

@NewModelArmyMayhem18

There's a place on the card for writing your name though.
All that means is there's a space to write a name. It doesn't mean it's the name of the person who had the vaccination.
sirfredfredgeorge · 25/03/2021 11:05

That seems efficient, I wonder why real passports don't save all the effort and just send out blank ones for us to fill out at home, would be so much simpler!

LucilleTheVampireBat · 25/03/2021 11:06

I honestly can't believe how many people are in support of this. It's frightening. I actually don't have the words!

Same4Walls · 25/03/2021 11:08

@LucilleTheVampireBat

I honestly can't believe how many people are in support of this. It's frightening. I actually don't have the words!
It's quite worrying that people seem to blindly accept everything without appearing to use any common sense on what happens next.
babbaloushka · 25/03/2021 11:09

@Same4Walls

As I understand it only a small number of people cannot have the vaccine, but still, they exist, and presumably have no way of proving to anyone that they are exempt.

I was just about to reply in a similar manner. There won't be exemption certificates so those unable to be vaccinated will basically no longer be able to go to the pub if this is implemented.

Surely there will be provided proof of exemption by your GP that doesn't go into detail. We did this for one of my DC who couldn't get the typhoid vaccine for travel, but was allowed in due to her proof of exemption. If you're genuinely exempt then what's the problem? There's not vaccine passports yet either, but when there are, I imagine there will also be medically certified exemption.
j712adrian · 25/03/2021 11:09

File under:

Natural Selection

AcornAutumn · 25/03/2021 11:09

@LucilleTheVampireBat

I honestly can't believe how many people are in support of this. It's frightening. I actually don't have the words!
I think the behaviour of the majority over the last year makes this a total non surprise.
Same4Walls · 25/03/2021 11:11

Surely there will be provided proof of exemption by your GP that doesn't go into detail.

I think you're being incredibly optimistic if you think this will happen.

sirfredfredgeorge · 25/03/2021 11:12

Surely there will be provided proof of exemption by your GP that doesn't go into detail

Someone above claimed there are only 2 reasons why you could be exempt, so of course it immediately provides that knowledge, given one of them is pregnancy, you don't think judgemental folk are going to start judging a pregnant woman in a pub, maybe having some wine?