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And so it begins - with pubs?

635 replies

MistressoftheDarkSide · 24/03/2021 22:36

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/24/pubs-should-decide-whether-to-demand-vaccine-passports-pm-says

Some rather good points raised in the article to be fair

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lurker101 · 24/03/2021 23:37

@AcornAutumn

I'm not going to a venue that requires personal information.

I've had my first vaccine. But this is horrible dangerous territory.

Given that many bars require you to show ID on entry as proof of age it’s not a new thing for venues to require and obtain personal information
Sstrongtn · 24/03/2021 23:38

How many months ago did people warn about this and get called tin foil hatters??

AcornAutumn · 24/03/2021 23:38

@sirfredfredgeorge

Nhs app. Nhs has record of all your vaccines etc so easy to display whether you’ve had and which ones

Yeah, nothing could possibly go wrong with having to have your logged in NHS app available for the bouncers in a pub to have a nose through, what could you possibly not want the pub to know?

I actually had a message today from an NHS No reply urging me to use the app.

There was no opt out so I blocked the number, I don't want "use the app" messages.

I don't know what other messages might get blocked but there wasn't a choice.

Taciturn · 24/03/2021 23:39

I keep hearing saga adverts on the radio "everyone vaccinated" on our cruises. And I think - why would you wish to shrink you potential pool of custom?

Same applies here. With 40% 18-34 years not definitely going to have vaccine highest group) and it not yet approved for children, why would you actively turn down business? Particularly when the other half - the vaccinated group -shouldn't care about this debate, with their lowered risk

AcornAutumn · 24/03/2021 23:40

@Sstrongtn

How many months ago did people warn about this and get called tin foil hatters??
Me, appx 1 year ago.

Imma take a photo of my hat one day, I think it is a magic hat that makes accurate predictions 😂

MistressoftheDarkSide · 24/03/2021 23:40

Age related ID not remotely the same, it's not retained. In order to be effective I might expect some sort of verification process. And theoretically I could see the govt using the info to assess whether opening the pubs did impact the virus spread, especially to see if the vaccine works.

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EasterIssland · 24/03/2021 23:43

@Taciturn

I keep hearing saga adverts on the radio "everyone vaccinated" on our cruises. And I think - why would you wish to shrink you potential pool of custom?

Same applies here. With 40% 18-34 years not definitely going to have vaccine highest group) and it not yet approved for children, why would you actively turn down business? Particularly when the other half - the vaccinated group -shouldn't care about this debate, with their lowered risk

Id think because no business wants to be in the middle of a COVID outbreak and needing to close for a couple of weeks (if I.e it’s the bar attendants who have it and given it to a few customers ). Also cruises aren’t 100% safe. Look what happened last year with several cruises. People will want to feel that they’re going on holiday safe. So I think many will prefer to turn down some money but some others will appear. (Many airlines are going to request this as well).

Wonder whether tjey might do fast tests on the spot. So you wanna come to the pub? Vaccine or pcr ?

twelly · 24/03/2021 23:47

If this is this case it will not just be the pubs that require proof of vaccination and is another example of how the older generation have been the priority as they will have been vaccinated. The young/teemagers have been forgotten.

lurker101 · 24/03/2021 23:47

@MistressoftheDarkSide it depends where you go, I have had my IDs scanned and retained for entry to large London clubs in the past - presumably in case there was an issue that they later needed to get in touch with people about.

I can’t see how showing that you have had or not had a jab that at least 50% of U.K. adults have already had is any way identifying or intrusive in a way that name, address, DOB etc aren’t

Mumsnet and their advertisers have already collected far more personal information from me through my usage and habits and their tracking than whether I have/have not had a vaccine.

pennylane83 · 24/03/2021 23:50

Its just mandatory vaccinations by stealth. How best to encourage the wavering younger population to get vaccinated - prevent them from being able to partake in a drinking session down the pub/club with their mates/colleagues.

AcornAutumn · 24/03/2021 23:50

[quote lurker101]@MistressoftheDarkSide it depends where you go, I have had my IDs scanned and retained for entry to large London clubs in the past - presumably in case there was an issue that they later needed to get in touch with people about.

I can’t see how showing that you have had or not had a jab that at least 50% of U.K. adults have already had is any way identifying or intrusive in a way that name, address, DOB etc aren’t

Mumsnet and their advertisers have already collected far more personal information from me through my usage and habits and their tracking than whether I have/have not had a vaccine.[/quote]
Wow! i'm glad I'm old enough to have just swanned into nightclubs.

The nanny statism is terrifying. I'd never give those details to go anywhere.

Sstrongtn · 24/03/2021 23:54

I have no issue with them having my data. We are well into a technocracy and that’s nothing I can change about that.

I have every issue with being coerced into a medical action on my body.

It makes me not want the vaccine. We will absolutely undermine the social contract that has always been there in the U.K.

Quit4me · 24/03/2021 23:57

I predicted this months ago and got called ridiculous.
It’s absolutely appalling. What happens to pregnant ladies or those unable to have the vaccine for any reason?
Forcing vaccination by stealth. Wtf has happened to us this past year. Feel like I’m in the twilight zone.
Mild illness for most and all the vulnerable have been vaccinated!

BelleHathor · 24/03/2021 23:58

Wow! i'm glad I'm old enough to have just swanned into nightclubs.
The nanny statism is terrifying. I'd never give those details to go anywhere.

Same here, no wonder the club scene was dying pre covid. I could be Anne on Friday, Jane on Saturday 😉

areyoumeop · 25/03/2021 00:09

all told to stay at home so we didn't kill granny, turns out granny gets the vaccine and fucks off to the pub with the other grannies- would probably be Spain if they hadn't taken that option away!

MintyMabel · 25/03/2021 00:13

The market will decide, Boris has cleverly left it to individual venues. I predict large scale boycotting by the general public which is ridiculous when the economy needs to get going.

Letting the market decide is the right thing to do. They know their operations/ target market best and can reverse a decision in a heartbeat if it impacts on their business whether it be because of a loss of profit or because of problems with outbreaks. Unless the government is going to issue a blanket decision that every business must insist on its patrons having a vaccine they would get themselves back in to the whole “is a scotch egg a meal” nonsense as they tried to derive a policy on which establishments must insist on vaccines or not.

I disagree that it would necessarily lead to a boycott. I have a feeling that all those “strong” arguments against being vaccinated, may fall away for many if they were told they can’t go to the pub or have their two weeks in Ibiza.

Can we also stop banging on about what is fair? Covid doesn’t care about fair. Unless we want to risk seeing a third wave when we open up and if we want to see businesses having some kind of recovery at this delicate stage of the pandemic, it makes absolute sense for the first few months to restrict non vaccinated people from gathering in large groups. It isn’t forever, and also worth bearing in mind that quite a large proportion of those vaccinated are under 50, many of them the young people who have actually sacrificed something by working on the front line as NHS workers and carers. I’m happy enough that they can get out to go for a nice meal and a drink before those who have been vaccinated.

AcornAutumn · 25/03/2021 00:17

@BelleHathor

*Wow! i'm glad I'm old enough to have just swanned into nightclubs. The nanny statism is terrifying. I'd never give those details to go anywhere.* Same here, no wonder the club scene was dying pre covid. I could be Anne on Friday, Jane on Saturday 😉
I wonder what it's for. My guess is it's drug related and the clubs can show they're doing something.

I watched Trainspotting at the weekend, the nostalgia actually hurt.

MercyBooth · 25/03/2021 00:20

What about tourists from countries where the vaccine isn't mandatory, will they still be allowed into the country, will they need to be vaccinated in this country before they can enter hotels/ bars etc?

DumplingsAndStew · 25/03/2021 00:22

Ffs, I just want to be able to go and get a fucking coffee and some peer support from other parents with disabled kids 🤬

MercyBooth · 25/03/2021 00:26

Is it likely to happen for hairdressers. Will women trying to conceive have to choose between that or having their hair done?

BelleHathor · 25/03/2021 00:28

I wonder what it's for. My guess is it's drug related and the clubs can show they're doing something.
But back in the day a lot of the bouncers were part of the cough distribution. It would make me uncomfortable as a lot of doors used to be run by gangs. Very easy to clone and sell an identity....

I watched Trainspotting at the weekend, the nostalgia actually hurt.
Such innocent times 😇 😌 I think I'll watch Human Traffic this week!

AcornAutumn · 25/03/2021 00:36

@BelleHathor

I wonder what it's for. My guess is it's drug related and the clubs can show they're doing something. But back in the day a lot of the bouncers were part of the cough distribution. It would make me uncomfortable as a lot of doors used to be run by gangs. Very easy to clone and sell an identity....

I watched Trainspotting at the weekend, the nostalgia actually hurt.
Such innocent times 😇 😌 I think I'll watch Human Traffic this week!

Oh right

I don't really understand how a vaccine ID would work but I can see that you have no idea where the info is going. If it comes from scanning an app, I see a world of problems.

Not heard of Human Traffic, thanks.

For those of us who clubbed before things went wrong...I've actually never seen this video! Just remember dancing in a cage on one of the best nights ever!

BelleHathor · 25/03/2021 00:39

I disagree that it would necessarily lead to a boycott. I have a feeling that all those “strong” arguments against being vaccinated, may fall away for many if they were told they can’t go to the pub or have their two weeks in Ibiza.
The nation that voted to name a ship "Boaty McBoatface" will mostly not be coerced into getting a jab, hence all ramping up of the narrative about "the things you won't be able to do". The last PM who tried to coerce the public ended up with Brexit.
I think it shows the disconnect between things that may play well in Whitehall versus down the local pub.

sobeyondthehills · 25/03/2021 01:14

Its not just the young that are going to have a problem with this, I got invited for my vaccination, the nearest place is 22 miles as the crow flies, for someone who doesn't drive, that is at least a bus and a train away, plus maybe another bus.

It does say places that might be closer may come up soon,

ChocOrange1 · 25/03/2021 05:22

A lot of people who work in pubs and restaurants are under 30. They won't have their jabs for quite some time. So with this rule, presumably they wouldn't be able to work and as pubs would be "allowed" to open, wouldn't be eligible for furlough either. In the case the unemployment figures weren't grim enough already!

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