And so it begins - with pubs?

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www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/24/pubs-should-decide-whether-to-demand-vaccine-passports-pm-says

Some rather good points raised in the article to be fair

Those who choose not to vaccinate to protect others will have to suck it up.

And those who aren't eligible to be vaccinated yet, or those who can't be vaccinated, should they also suck it up?

@Radio4Rocks

Not sure why it's such a problem for some people. You have to prove your age to drink in a pub - this isn't that different.

It would encourage me to go to one.

You have to prove your age in a pub because it's law and the license holder faces massive consequences if they are serving underage. At the moment there is no law making the vaccine mandatory so the two things are not the same.

Those who choose not to vaccinate to protect others will have to suck it up.

Who says they are choosing not to be vaccinated? Some people want to be vaccinated but have to wait as they are not deemed a priority due to age etc so you think it's fine to exclude those people from socialising as they have yet to be vaccinated? Also how does one prove they wre not vaccinated through choice or because of underlying conditions?

I’m totally against this and think it’s the beginning of a slippery slope. No one has had to prove their health status before unless maybe for health-related occupations. We don’t all have to show we’ve been immunised against e.g measles (incredibly infectious), so why start now?

All for it as long as it doesn't discriminate against those who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons. Will be hard to enforce in pubs, though should absolutely be a condition of air travel

Pubs are going to be quite empty when they open up if they want this as the only fully vaccinated will be those over 70, some CEV and health workers.

@same4walls hard to argue that someone's right to go to the pub is more important than public health, all over 18s will be offered it by July not really a hardship

@zen1

I’m totally against this and think it’s the beginning of a slippery slope. No one has had to prove their health status before unless maybe for health-related occupations. We don’t all have to show we’ve been immunised against e.g measles (incredibly infectious), so why start now?

Youbhave to have certain vaccinations to go to some countries like yellow fever etc..... its not that uncommon... also working with drains etc you have to have hep b jab too.

This won't come into force until all groups are vaccinated.

I don't have a problem proving to anyone that I have had the vaccine. I already have proof in the form of the NHS card given to me when I was vaccinated. I shall have a huge problem receiving care, treatment or admin services from any NHS employee or sub contractor who cannot prove they have had the vaccine.

Indeed as all NHS staff have now been vaccinated I would like to know why all NHS services such as MH, CAMHS, HV clinics, etc are not fully open.

@WhentheDealGoesDown

Pubs are going to be quite empty when they open up if they want this as the only fully vaccinated will be those over 70, some CEV and health workers.

I assume it will be just one shot needed for a passport.

@Haffiana

This won't come into force until all groups are vaccinated.

At which point it becomes a waste of time. It's just going to be used as a way to introduce an id card by stealth.

[quote Goldieloxx]@same4walls hard to argue that someone's right to go to the pub is more important than public health, all over 18s will be offered it by July not really a hardship[/quote]
Its not about people's rights to go to the pub ffs. It's about the lunacy of such a policy. It's ironic isn't it that last summer they were begging and bribing people to go to the pubs to support the economy and this year they are proposing such stringent measures.

Also I absolutely take everyone over 18 being offered their first dose by July with a huge pinch of salt. I still know plenty of older people who have yet to have their vaccines.

I am getting vaccinated because I don't want to get long covid.

But if you have to prove you've been vaccinated to go into a pub or cafe I'm not going. It's one thing getting on a plane where you have to show your passport and queue anyway, but I am not queuing to show some miseryguts bouncer evidence of vaccination.

And what about those who don't have smartphones?

It goes far to far in my view. Yes care and medical staff should be vaccinated. It does not matter for the rest of us.

It's also quite interesting that a decade ago everyone was going on about how awful an ID card would be. I would have been quite happy to have an ID card if that was all I needed to show to satisfy money laundering requirements etc but no, that was an infringement of liberty.

Yet people think it's fine to have to tell strangers your medical history to buy a glass of wine? Yeah right.

What makes me laugh now is the virtue signalling on social media - oooh look at me I've had my vaccine

I have to roll my eyes when I see some of those bragging how they are doing it for others who really are the sort of people who wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. The same people who put 'Be Kind' on their profile photo then spend their life slagging others off

Seriously this year really has shown the reality of who's who and what's what

@Hardbackwriter

Steve Baker, the Conservative deputy chair of the Covid Recovery Group of lockdown-sceptic MPs, said it was deeply concerning.

“Whether the state legislates for it, recommends it or simply allows it the result will be the same,” he said.

“A two-tier Britain that prevents pregnant women from taking part in society, given that the government is telling them not to take the vaccine, or one where we turn back the clock and tolerate businesses turning away customers from communities which have shown an unfortunate hesitancy to take up the offer of a vaccine. We must not fall into this ghastly trap.”

Oh God, I agree with something Steve Baker said. I feel like I need a shower.

Likewise.

I already have proof in the form of the NHS card given to me when I was vaccinated

Well, except for the small fact that it doesn't have your name on (at least my DH's card doesn't), and even if it did, you would need photo ID too and not everyone has that.

Oh God, I agree with something Steve Baker said. I feel like I need a shower

I know it's super-worrying

@poppycat10

I am getting vaccinated because I don't want to get long covid.

But if you have to prove you've been vaccinated to go into a pub or cafe I'm not going. It's one thing getting on a plane where you have to show your passport and queue anyway, but I am not queuing to show some miseryguts bouncer evidence of vaccination.

And what about those who don't have smartphones?

It goes far to far in my view. Yes care and medical staff should be vaccinated. It does not matter for the rest of us.

Totally agree. I'm not totally happy about the travel thing but as someone who lost a holiday and my money in the PCR test delays in December, I'd rather have the vaccine than a test every time I want to go anywhere

But I agree that being asked to prove vaccine status to be allowed a social life - sorry but its the start of a slippery slope imo

A two-tier Britain that prevents pregnant women from taking part in society

Mind you we already have interfering bar(men) telling pregnant women they shouldn't be drinking, so banning them from pubs altogether on the grounds they've not been vaccinated isn't that different.

What makes me laugh now is the virtue signalling on social media - oooh look at me I've had my vaccine

Nobody gets vaccinated to protect others, they get themselves and their kids vaccinated to avoid getting ill, having the worry of looking after sick kids and having to take time off work. I laugh at people who claim they get vaccinated for the good of society - no you don't. You are thinking about you and yours, like everyone else.

AlecTrevelyan006

So everyday you’ll have to arrive 30 minutes before your shift starts to take a Covid test, meaning there’s a chance that you’ll be sent home.

Do you get paid for turning up early? Do you get sick pay? “

College students are taking their tests before they go in. Takes 15 minutes. College is providing them but kits are available at no charge at many testing centres. If it’s positive, they stay home.

also working with drains etc you have to have hep b jab too.

To protect yourself. Presumably not to protect the drain.

College students are taking their tests before they go in. Takes 15 minutes.

15 minutes? The results take 30 minutes. I know in many cases they appear much sooner, but everything i've seen says you need to wait 30 minutes.