And so it begins - with pubs?

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www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/24/pubs-should-decide-whether-to-demand-vaccine-passports-pm-says

Some rather good points raised in the article to be fair

New rules to help pubs, cafes and restaurants reopen outdoors safely in England on 12 April have sparked anger from industry groups.

All customers will have to sign in on entry, not just one member of the group like before. It is also unclear whether payment at the bar will be permitted.

UK Hospitality said it would burden struggling pubs and staff and risk customers deciding not to go out.

The BBC has contacted the Cabinet Office for a comment.

Under the new guidance, every customer aged 16 and over will have to check in to NHS test and trace before entering a venue, or give their contact details to staff.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56608632

Madness! Where is the opposition????

Good. Let’s hope there is some way to check details too as many were giving false ones last time.

We want businesses to open and remain open so whatever safety measures that need to be undertaken to do that should be implemented. Both for staff and customers.

it's a completely disproportionate reaction. What is the point of being vaccinated if we do not get our freedom back? Why are so many people so willing to give up everything? Where is the evidence that the government will ever row back from this nonsense?

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

Good. Let’s hope there is some way to check details too as many were giving false ones last time.

We want businesses to open and remain open so whatever safety measures that need to be undertaken to do that should be implemented. Both for staff and customers.

Except that 'safety measures' will impose extra expenses on an already badly struggling industry and may discourage customers from going out. These bsuinesses have to operate at a profit. They're not a public service.

What will happen if people don't have a smart phone?

@AlecTrevelyan006

it's a completely disproportionate reaction. What is the point of being vaccinated if we do not get our freedom back? Why are so many people so willing to give up everything? Where is the evidence that the government will ever row back from this nonsense?

And this is to sit outside with an absolutely minimal risk of transmission. God alone only knows what hoops everyone will have to jump through to actually be allowed to step through the doors.

Its a sledgehammer to crack a nut - anyone would think they're trying to make it as unappealing as possible to actually have any sort of social life

For both vaccine passport and track and trace? I am probably going to get the vaccine. But I refuse to download the app on my phone. I don't agree with giving the government so much power.

I will happily use a brick phone in public.

@TierdOfLockdown

For both vaccine passport and track and trace? I am probably going to get the vaccine. But I refuse to download the app on my phone. I don't agree with giving the government so much power.

I will happily use a brick phone in public.

I agree. I've had my first vaccine but I don't agree with the vaccine passports just to be allowed any sort of 'normal' life

@samW98 exactly! There is a different between refusing a vaccine and refusing a vaccine passport!

If enough people get the vaccine, why would be even need one domestically, Oz and NZ have been doing fine with out a vaccine passport.

I don't like how the goal posts are constantly changing, the current government just seems really corrupt to me.

it seems like there will never be any fun, and certainly not any spontaneity, ever again.

govt guidance has already been changed to reflect this depressing future
www.gov.uk/guidance/working-safely-during-coronavirus-covid-19/restaurants-offering-takeaway-or-delivery#takeaways-2-1

[quote AlecTrevelyan006]it seems like there will never be any fun, and certainly not any spontaneity, ever again.

govt guidance has already been changed to reflect this depressing future
www.gov.uk/guidance/working-safely-during-coronavirus-covid-19/restaurants-offering-takeaway-or-delivery#takeaways-2-1[/quote]
"Three more things to be aware of if your business is a restaurant, pub, bar or takeaway:

Keep groups apart. Space out tables, consider using barriers between groups, and manage the number of customers in the venue. This is required by law. Manage the number of customers in the venue.
Manage food and drink service safely. Avoid situations where customers need to collect their own cutlery and condiments. Avoid contact between staff and customers.
Lower music and other background noise. Prevent shouting, singing and dancing in the venue by making sure music and broadcasts are played at a low volume."

I'm just thinking, why would I bother?

Going out for a drink or a meal is expensive, at least it is for me. I can cook a meal and certainly make myself a drink at home for a fraction of the price. Going out is about socialising, relaxing, spontaneity. Sitting in a pub with a 'barrier' between another 'group', worrying that if another friend wants to join us later on then he/she may be above the 'allowed' number, not even enjoying a bit of banter with the staff and having to worry if I'm speaking too loudly. And so on.

That all sounds utterly miserable to me, and I doubt I'm the only one. If these 'rules' are really imposed then I could see people just buying a few bottles in Tesco and inviting their friends home, where they can enjoy a few cheap drinks without having to worry if they're sitting too closely too each other or having to 'sign in' on arrival. More bleak news for the hospitality industry.

In the first lockdown last year I ordered a little Tiki Bar. I've decorated it up so its like a cocktail bar, got fairy lights all round my garden and got a swingchair and some sun loungers.

I would rather have my mates round and have our own beer garden with music dancing drinks and 'gasp' fun than go out under the miserable soul destroying rules just to have a few drinks in the local

We usually like to pop in a cafe or pub when we are out on a walk but we won't bother, I have already bought a load of those Jimmy's iced coffee to take out with us over the summer instead, they will be nice with some cake which we can also bring from home.

I have had my first vaccine but don't agree with the passports and don't want any government apps on my phone.

There's also this.

"Steps could include:

Further lowering capacity - even if it is possible to safely seat a number of people at the venue, it may not be safe for them all to travel or enter that venue.

Staggering entry times with other venues and taking steps to avoid queues building up in surrounding areas.

Arranging one-way travel routes between transport hubs and venues.

Advising patrons to avoid particular forms of transport or routes and to avoid crowded areas when in transit to the venue."

FFS so now it's the job of a pub or a restaurant to tell customers how to travel? And to coordinate opening times with their competitors? Add in having to reduce numbers, then it's hard to see how these places can operate at a profit, even if customers could be persuaded to splash out for such a joyless experience.

@TierdOfLockdown

What will happen if people don't have a smart phone?

DH doesn't carry a phone at all, he doesn't own one. So unless we can use mine for us both we won't be going to pubs anytime soon.

And here was me thinking vaccinations were the way back to normality. Although why any of us believed that for a second when so much else we've been told has been a bunch of bullshit I've no clue.

The 10pm curfew for pubs last time was a massive mistake and I wouldn't be shocked if it added to the spread.
Rather than a trickle of people in and out of pubs, everyone was on the high street and in transport hubs at exactly the same time.

Rules made be people who don't understand the way normal people live

It sound like I would imagine a prison canteen would be, being watched all the time

@AlecTrevelyan006

New rules to help pubs, cafes and restaurants reopen outdoors safely in England on 12 April have sparked anger from industry groups.

All customers will have to sign in on entry, not just one member of the group like before. It is also unclear whether payment at the bar will be permitted.

UK Hospitality said it would burden struggling pubs and staff and risk customers deciding not to go out.

The BBC has contacted the Cabinet Office for a comment.

Under the new guidance, every customer aged 16 and over will have to check in to NHS test and trace before entering a venue, or give their contact details to staff.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56608632

Madness! Where is the opposition????

I'm just not going to do that. It sounds really intrusive and you lose all sponteneity. I'd rather not go out, I can have people over without any of the hassle.

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

Good. Let’s hope there is some way to check details too as many were giving false ones last time.

We want businesses to open and remain open so whatever safety measures that need to be undertaken to do that should be implemented. Both for staff and customers.

So you think bar/restaurant staff should have access to some kind of database from which they can prove your identity? Or that everyone should carry photo ID, even though not everyone has any?

I read this as 'And so it begins- with pubes' ........ I was baffled. Thought it was a new symptom.

None of this is working, this summer feels crapper than last year

@beginningoftheend

None of this is working, this summer feels crapper than last year

It really does.

The road map says all restrictions removed on 21 June (with the conditions being met caveat). So why all this talk of vaccine passports/signing into pubs/no singing or loud music/social distancing/restrictions?

Italics fail

AND IT ALL BECOMES CLEAR

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9420335/Planning-rules-relaxed-turn-High-Street-shops-FLATS.html

There is no way restrictions will end on June 21st. They have invested significant amounts of money in this dystopian hell they have created, including passports, nonsensical rules, QR codes and joyless 'fun'. This pandemic is here to stay, even if nobody is catching it.