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And so it begins - with pubs?

635 replies

MistressoftheDarkSide · 24/03/2021 22:36

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/24/pubs-should-decide-whether-to-demand-vaccine-passports-pm-says

Some rather good points raised in the article to be fair

OP posts:
MRSGGG · 26/03/2021 19:57

Am I the only one that finds it a bit tragic that people are desperately missing pubs?

lockeddownandcrazy · 26/03/2021 20:02

@XenoBitch

I doubt it, I have had a jab and won't be visiting anywhere that wants a passport or app to enter, can quite easily live without pubs etc.and foreign holidays

Yep, vote with your feet. I imagine plenty of pubs wont have it as a requirement for entry. They need all the customers they can get.

Plenty of pubs which do have it might become more popular as venues where peoples safety is put over profit.
Belladonna12 · 26/03/2021 20:02

@Mydietstartstomorrow

I don’t understand the point of this! The vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting covid or from spreading it so why do you need a passport to get in a pub?! Just because you’ve had the jab doesn’t mean that you can do whatever you like and social distancing goes out the window! I’m so 🙄 about those that think they’re immune cos they’ve had the jab, do your research!
The point is that it reduces the risk of people catching Covid or spreading it. Perhaps you should do your own research.
XenoBitch · 26/03/2021 20:06

@MRSGGG

Am I the only one that finds it a bit tragic that people are desperately missing pubs?
I could say the same about hairdressers, gyms, foreign holidays etc. Pubs are the main social hubs in some areas... and for the elderly in particular, is where they meet friends, chat over a beer and a game of dominos. It is not all leery lager louts that enjoy pubs.
CrankyFrankie · 26/03/2021 20:11

If you take this in conjunction with their recent moves to outlaw peaceful public protest, just these two things alone scream that we’re quietly descending into a fascist state. Rich pickings in a barren post-Brexit landscape. creepy wooooo noises

Mydietstartstomorrow · 26/03/2021 20:11

Belladonna do your research
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN29N1UH
Nothing has been proved about reduced transmission yet.

CrankyFrankie · 26/03/2021 20:14

@MistressoftheDarkSide

What I really struggle with is having to factor Covid and the legislation for it into every single facet of my life. It's becoming second nature, we're ruled by it.

Rightly or wrongly, it's exhausting and such a thief of potential joy.

With regard to the cinema thing, DP has had his first vaccine. We're the same age bar a month, 52 and I haven't been invited yet. fair enough, they'll either get round to me or I'll bite the bullet online. So if I'm still unvaccinated by the time things normalise a bit in whatever form, will he be able to choose coming into the non jab screening with me if he so desires? Least of worries of course, but it crossed my mind.

Also, I did have a severe enough reaction to a measles jab as a small child and thereafter had to take a little blue antihistamine before all future jabs, which I fully understand are a different thing to the Covid vaccine. it was massively downplayed when I was a child, understandably to avoid freaking out about jabs in general and I'm now pretty sanguine about it tbf. DPs vaccine paperwork refers to anaphylaxis, but I don't know if my reaction was THAT severe, and my DM who would know has passed in the last year, my DD is 80 and is likely to be hazy on the details. So do i declare and risk not being able to have the vaccine, or just go fingers crossed with a risk of a reaction that I should have mentioned, which is terribly unfair on the HCPs. Would my doctor be prepared to go back to ancient paper notes from 48 years ago, as I doubt it's all been digitised, to check?

I'm not anti-vax by any means, but if there are reasons to be cautious and not have the jab, am I condemned to never visiting a pub, shop or other venue ever again?

Yes, I'm being dramatic, but it has made me think alot!

Maybe this is why you’ve not been offered it yet?
RaspberryCola · 26/03/2021 20:14

I’ve had my vaccine, I’d be happy to have a certificate to show people. But I still don’t think it’s fair. My friend can’t have a vaccine due to severe allergies - she would love one, she went all the way down to the centre to get one, and was told when she turned up she couldn’t have it. So what could she do in this scenario? Never go to the pub again??

bumbleymummy · 26/03/2021 20:18

@lockeddownandcrazy or people who have been vaccinated will be happy to take the ‘risk’ of mingling with people when they don’t know their vaccination status because they trust that their own vaccine protects them.

XenoBitch · 26/03/2021 20:43

@Mydietstartstomorrow

I don’t understand the point of this! The vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting covid or from spreading it so why do you need a passport to get in a pub?! Just because you’ve had the jab doesn’t mean that you can do whatever you like and social distancing goes out the window! I’m so 🙄 about those that think they’re immune cos they’ve had the jab, do your research!
I don't understand the point of pubs being able to open fully in May (before everyone has been offered the vaccine), let all and sundry in, but then a couple of months later effectively bar any regulars that don't have their "papers".
AcornAutumn · 26/03/2021 20:50

@MrsBrookes72

I had a severe reaction to the first vaccine 2 weeks ago. I couldn't stop vomitting and it took days to keep food and water down fully, yet I'm being told that I must have the second one. It was a scary experience personally; I'm very worried that they'll make vaccine passports as I'm terrified to have the second dose and just don't want to. I don't want to be forced/banned from going to venues just because my body reacted badly, but of course the government probably won't consider this at all
I wouldn't have the second one in that case.

I wasn't well - heart rate etc - for a few days and that has a knock on effect. I will have the second one but dithered about it.

AcornAutumn · 26/03/2021 20:51

Xeno - pubs aren't fully opening in May?

loulouljh · 26/03/2021 21:41

It is complete madness....and noticeably the pubs chains are against it. It would not be manageable to police at all. I would never go to a pub that required a vaccine for entry. I would simply keep my money and stay at home. Imagine others will feel the same. I would have thought pubs need all the money they can get.

XenoBitch · 26/03/2021 22:19

@AcornAutumn

Xeno - pubs aren't fully opening in May?
Sorry, I meant they can trade indoors in May.
Basado · 26/03/2021 22:29

Can't wait to live in a bio-security police state! What's next? Social credit score? Abolition of cash? Compulsory state supplied vaccinations? Mandatory digital identity and a state sanctioned digital currency?

And to think most lemmings will probably go along with this without thinking of the implications just so they can go down the pub!

Basado · 26/03/2021 22:32

If the government is able to restrict your liberties for refusing violation of bodily autonomy and being a guinea pig for experimental gene therapies, do we really live in a free country?

UmbilicusProfundus · 26/03/2021 22:32

@Mydietstartstomorrow

Belladonna do your research www.google.co.uk/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN29N1UH Nothing has been proved about reduced transmission yet.
Your link is to a story over 2 months old. So pretty soon after vaccination programmes started and there wasn’t yet the evidence. Even though it is was pretty clear through scientific principles, and quite frankly common sense, that there would be a positive effect on reducing transmission. And we now have that evidence. I can’t be bothered to find a link for you as you are not actually interested and links to relevant articles have been already posted dozens of times in the last 6 weeks or so.

Anyway, you sort of refer to people forgetting to be cautious and sensible after having a vaccine and having a false sense of safety. It’s a fair point. But again I can’t really be bothered to listen to it because the nonsense of the rest of your post

AcornAutumn · 26/03/2021 23:14

Xeno my bad, apologies, I thought it was outdoors only in May

AcornAutumn · 26/03/2021 23:15

@Basado

If the government is able to restrict your liberties for refusing violation of bodily autonomy and being a guinea pig for experimental gene therapies, do we really live in a free country?
We don't live in a free country anymore

Re the lemmings, from what I can see hospitality don't want it, though I guess the state will try to enforce it anyway.

XenoBitch · 26/03/2021 23:17

@AcornAutumn

Xeno my bad, apologies, I thought it was outdoors only in May
Yeah, April is outdoors, May is indoors and June is no restrictions (whatever that means). So, I am baffled that you can go inside in pub in May but then be denied for not having the vaccine whenever it will be that everyone will be offered it.
AcornAutumn · 26/03/2021 23:26

I think they'll find excuses to delay all of this.

I suppose vaccine passport will be replacing T&T.

Can't see myself going to a pub in future.

There's a consultation but only two days to answer it

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/covid-status-certification-review-call-for-evidence

MakeMathsFun · 26/03/2021 23:36

A passport app only proves that the phone holder is holding a phone of a person with a passport. It doesn't prove a thing. I could be carrying a friends phone, or a stolen phone, or just displaying a screenshot of a fake passport. Anyway, getting the jab(s) doesn't make you immune. It only protects you from the strains that exist at that time. The virus mutates like a flu virus mutates, so your protection is really the emperors new clothes.

XenoBitch · 26/03/2021 23:37

[quote AcornAutumn]I think they'll find excuses to delay all of this.

I suppose vaccine passport will be replacing T&T.

Can't see myself going to a pub in future.

There's a consultation but only two days to answer it

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/covid-status-certification-review-call-for-evidence[/quote]
There was a debate in parliament about domestic vaccine passports recently and an overwhelming majority were not in their favour.

I don't see how vaccine passports can replace T&T. You can still catch and spread Covid if you have had the vaccine.

SophieGiroux · 26/03/2021 23:43

@Nerdygirl

Utter lunacy - in a blink of the eye we move more and more to a police stare for a virus that is mild as quoted by whitty for the vast majority

Am I alone in thinking all sense of proportion has gone out of the window. I suspect if we didn’t have social media and 24 he news coverage this would have been a totally different situation

Totally agree!
AcornAutumn · 27/03/2021 01:11

Xeno "I don't see how vaccine passports can replace T&T. You can still catch and spread Covid if you have had the vaccine."

My thinking is, they will still contact you to isolate because they'll have the info.

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