And so it begins - with pubs?

[MistressoftheDarkSide]

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/24/pubs-should-decide-whether-to-demand-vaccine-passports-pm-says

Some rather good points raised in the article to be fair

What I really struggle with is having to factor Covid and the legislation for it into every single facet of my life. It's becoming second nature, we're ruled by it.

Rightly or wrongly, it's exhausting and such a thief of potential joy.

With regard to the cinema thing, DP has had his first vaccine. We're the same age bar a month, 52 and I haven't been invited yet. fair enough, they'll either get round to me or I'll bite the bullet online. So if I'm still unvaccinated by the time things normalise a bit in whatever form, will he be able to choose coming into the non jab screening with me if he so desires? Least of worries of course, but it crossed my mind.

Also, I did have a severe enough reaction to a measles jab as a small child and thereafter had to take a little blue antihistamine before all future jabs, which I fully understand are a different thing to the Covid vaccine. it was massively downplayed when I was a child, understandably to avoid freaking out about jabs in general and I'm now pretty sanguine about it tbf. DPs vaccine paperwork refers to anaphylaxis, but I don't know if my reaction was THAT severe, and my DM who would know has passed in the last year, my DD is 80 and is likely to be hazy on the details. So do i declare and risk not being able to have the vaccine, or just go fingers crossed with a risk of a reaction that I should have mentioned, which is terribly unfair on the HCPs. Would my doctor be prepared to go back to ancient paper notes from 48 years ago, as I doubt it's all been digitised, to check?

I'm not anti-vax by any means, but if there are reasons to be cautious and not have the jab, am I condemned to never visiting a pub, shop or other venue ever again?

Yes, I'm being dramatic, but it has made me think alot!

@RhubarbTea thankyou for posting that- I've just sent my response.

@MistressoftheDarkSide

What I really struggle with is having to factor Covid and the legislation for it into every single facet of my life. It's becoming second nature, we're ruled by it.

Rightly or wrongly, it's exhausting and such a thief of potential joy.

With regard to the cinema thing, DP has had his first vaccine. We're the same age bar a month, 52 and I haven't been invited yet. fair enough, they'll either get round to me or I'll bite the bullet online. So if I'm still unvaccinated by the time things normalise a bit in whatever form, will he be able to choose coming into the non jab screening with me if he so desires? Least of worries of course, but it crossed my mind.

Also, I did have a severe enough reaction to a measles jab as a small child and thereafter had to take a little blue antihistamine before all future jabs, which I fully understand are a different thing to the Covid vaccine. it was massively downplayed when I was a child, understandably to avoid freaking out about jabs in general and I'm now pretty sanguine about it tbf. DPs vaccine paperwork refers to anaphylaxis, but I don't know if my reaction was THAT severe, and my DM who would know has passed in the last year, my DD is 80 and is likely to be hazy on the details. So do i declare and risk not being able to have the vaccine, or just go fingers crossed with a risk of a reaction that I should have mentioned, which is terribly unfair on the HCPs. Would my doctor be prepared to go back to ancient paper notes from 48 years ago, as I doubt it's all been digitised, to check?

I'm not anti-vax by any means, but if there are reasons to be cautious and not have the jab, am I condemned to never visiting a pub, shop or other venue ever again?

Yes, I'm being dramatic, but it has made me think alot!

I've had some reactions to vaccines, sound similar to yours- broke out in hives and was a bit poorly. Also had to take anti-histamine before my jabs too! I let the HCP know and they double checked with the GP (who was conveniently at the surgery at the time) and got the go ahead, and I was absolutely fine.

My DD actually has an anaphylactic allergy to some foods and medications, and has previously been exempt from the Typhus vaccine, but her immunology team decided it was fine for her to get it, so she did, and had no reaction either!

Definitely check with your GP, better safe than sorry, my anecdata may help ease your mind a little.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/25/covid-checks-at-pubs-could-nudge-young-people-to-get-vaccine

Drip feed continues.

It's really all about nudge policy for the innocently laissez faire youngsters in the future not champing at the bit to "do their vaccine duty".

Booze is their carrot, and it's a warning against their freedom being restricted unless they comply.

Dingit Hope your mum feels better soon 🌻
Was it something like this, that was reported in the NYT :
www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/02/08/health/immune-thrombocytopenia-covid-vaccine-blood.amp.html
One day after receiving her first dose of Moderna’s Covid vaccine, Luz Legaspi, 72, woke up with bruises on her arms and legs, and blisters that bled inside her mouth. She was hospitalized in New York City that day, Jan. 19, with a severe case of immune thrombocytopenia — a lack of platelets, a blood component essential for clotting.The same condition led to the death in January of Dr. Gregory Michael, 56, an obstetrician in Miami Beach whose symptoms appeared three days after he received the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine. Treatments failed to restore his platelets, and after two weeks in the hospital he died from a brain hemorrhage.

@babbaloushka

Thank you for sharing your experiences - I do very much appreciate it and it is reassuring.

I shall, in due course take your excellent advice

Nhs app. Nhs has record of all your vaccines etc so easy to display whether you’ve had and which ones

So what happens to those who don't have a smart phone?

@afternooncuppa

Nhs app. Nhs has record of all your vaccines etc so easy to display whether you’ve had and which ones

So what happens to those who don't have a smart phone?

I object to an NHS app on principle given how fucking shite the NHS are with tech and how this means all your health care records will be sold to the highest bidder.

Good luck getting life insurance to some of you.

@MistressoftheDarkSide

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/25/covid-checks-at-pubs-could-nudge-young-people-to-get-vaccine

Drip feed continues.

It's really all about nudge policy for the innocently laissez faire youngsters in the future not champing at the bit to "do their vaccine duty".

Booze is their carrot, and it's a warning against their freedom being restricted unless they comply.

It is coercion, plain and simple. Take our rights away and demand we do xyz to get them back.

The protesting stuff they are pushing through is really starting to make sense. Makes it easier to shut us up.

I do have the NHS app, it's easier for me due to the amount of contact I have with various departments to keep track. I don't have a vaccine tab anywhere.

I had a severe reaction to the first vaccine 2 weeks ago. I couldn't stop vomitting and it took days to keep food and water down fully, yet I'm being told that I must have the second one. It was a scary experience personally; I'm very worried that they'll make vaccine passports as I'm terrified to have the second dose and just don't want to. I don't want to be forced/banned from going to venues just because my body reacted badly, but of course the government probably won't consider this at all

Oh gosh they told me my reaction was a coincidence too. It's so disgusting! They need to listen to the people and the severe side effects. I agree with vaccinations but it seems the NHS/government refuse to believe some people are awfully sick after it!

Let pubs decide for themselves.

Good - once every one is offered it though. Shouldnt be till everyone has had the opportunity then it should be all social venues. Then it will mean the whiny anti vaxxers will soon change their tunes and get the jab which will benefit all.

You do realise it goes against your human rights and the Nuremberg convention to force people to take any vaccine. Never mind an extremely rushed one. This is a terrifying development, how much of a prisoner do you want to be? The death rates for 2020 don't stand out against any other year with the exception of April when the government tossed out the old sick people from the hospitals and locked them into nursing homes. The country has lost all sense of perspective with this thing. The lockdown and the resulting disastrous depression we're now in will kill millions. What sort of lives will our children have now? It's this that keeps me awake at night not the virus. That and the lost of our liberties supposedly for health care.

@CosmicHeat

You do realise it goes against your human rights and the Nuremberg convention to force people to take any vaccine. Never mind an extremely rushed one. This is a terrifying development, how much of a prisoner do you want to be? The death rates for 2020 don't stand out against any other year with the exception of April when the government tossed out the old sick people from the hospitals and locked them into nursing homes. The country has lost all sense of perspective with this thing. The lockdown and the resulting disastrous depression we're now in will kill millions. What sort of lives will our children have now? It's this that keeps me awake at night not the virus. That and the lost of our liberties supposedly for health care.

Thats fine - choose not to and stop going places and spreading it to others - that is against their human rights for you to put them at risk.

@lockeddownandcrazy

Good - once every one is offered it though. Shouldnt be till everyone has had the opportunity then it should be all social venues. Then it will mean the whiny anti vaxxers will soon change their tunes and get the jab which will benefit all.

They wont get it. This will just add fuel to their fire. Many people on the fence about getting the vaccine wont if they feel they are being coerced. Getting the jab should be a personal decision that you make, one about your health. You should not need to be required to have a medical procedure to go to the pub, neither should it be a reason to get it. Some people wont be able to have it, and some people are scared to have it.

Medical procedures are to help you yourself. Vaccines are to keep others safe. Totally different. Some people medically cant have it, but the majority are choosing not to - so fine, they can choose not to go to pubs or other venues to. Choices have consequences

@lockeddownandcrazy

Good - once every one is offered it though. Shouldnt be till everyone has had the opportunity then it should be all social venues. Then it will mean the whiny anti vaxxers will soon change their tunes and get the jab which will benefit all.

I doubt it, I have had a jab and won't be visiting anywhere that wants a passport or app to enter, can quite easily live without pubs etc.and foreign holidays

I doubt it, I have had a jab and won't be visiting anywhere that wants a passport or app to enter, can quite easily live without pubs etc.and foreign holidays

Yep, vote with your feet. I imagine plenty of pubs wont have it as a requirement for entry. They need all the customers they can get.

It's not 'beginning'. It's a continuation of the 'point your phone at the poster' system thing. Just better, because it doesn't merely attempt to trace contacts when an infected person does come in, it traces potentially infected people and keeps them out in the first place.

Like not taking your dog or cat into kennels unless they've had their jabs.

@exaltedwombat

It's not 'beginning'. It's a continuation of the 'point your phone at the poster' system thing. Just better, because it doesn't merely attempt to trace contacts when an infected person does come in, it traces potentially infected people and keeps them out in the first place.

Like not taking your dog or cat into kennels unless they've had their jabs.

Not everyone has a smart phone. ANd if everyone who goes into the pub is vaccinated, then were is the infection coming from?

Anyone who supports “freedom passes” which is what they are really, is no better than any one who discriminates against people on account of race, age, sex, disability IMHO.

Cutting off citizens from joining in with everyday society is health discrimination.
We don’t check peoples health’s status for anything else.
We have a vaccine to protect the most vulnerable from serious illness and for anybody else who wants it.
Some people can’t have it some people don’t want it. It’s called freedom of choice.
When we do things by consent as we always have then we show trust in the system which is why we have such a good take up of vaccines in this country.
When people are coerced into something then there is usually a kick back. This could back fire on the government hoping to encourage more people to take it.

We don’t mandate vaccines in the U.K. . You might not like it but that’s the law and I’d like to point out we don’t seem to have any issue with diseases or viruses because of it.

Covid is new. It’s taken more lives because it’s new but with herd immunity through vaccine take up and natural antibodies it will become manageable very soon. Some scientists actually think we have almost reached that point.

It’s a massive over reach and pointless. It was suggested s by a minister today that they would come into force around August time, months after all restrictions have ended. How does that make any sense?
We have to remember the wise words of Chris Whitty- “The majority of people won’t catch this, the majority who do will have just a mild/moderate illness. We know it attacks the vulnerable & elderly and they are now protected with a vaccine. If we are doubting the vaccine then there is no logical reason for freedom passport.

Like not taking your dog or cat into kennels unless they've had their jabs

Yes, humans not participating in what was until recently normal society is exactly like not taking a cat to kennels.

I don’t understand the point of this! The vaccine doesn’t stop you from getting covid or from spreading it so why do you need a passport to get in a pub?! Just because you’ve had the jab doesn’t mean that you can do whatever you like and social distancing goes out the window! I’m so 🙄 about those that think they’re immune cos they’ve had the jab, do your research!