And so it begins - with pubs?

[MistressoftheDarkSide]

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/24/pubs-should-decide-whether-to-demand-vaccine-passports-pm-says

Some rather good points raised in the article to be fair

Not all my medical conditions are listed as contra in the green book. Not all my medical conditions have been tested on to know if it's safe or not, never mind the concotion of medication (Pfzer at one point advised against the vaccine if on medication). Many people are in the same predicament. Like other vaccines caution is taken when you are deemed ill by the medical people. This is acknowledged in the Green Book.

I only agree to vaccinations through free choice. People have made so many sacrifices in the past year to keep others safe and to impose arbitrary rules that directly impact a persons quality of live is not something I have ever supported. People should be free to decide what they put in their bodies. People should be free to make a risk based assessment including, despite it being successful so far, it's not covered under the vaccination compensation scheme (cannot remember the proper name).

Do we really want to enter a stage in society again that we have to prove out worthiness to be allowed into places as standard?

@canigooutyet

Not all my medical conditions are listed as contra in the green book. Not all my medical conditions have been tested on to know if it's safe or not, never mind the concotion of medication (Pfzer at one point advised against the vaccine if on medication). Many people are in the same predicament. Like other vaccines caution is taken when you are deemed ill by the medical people. This is acknowledged in the Green Book.

I only agree to vaccinations through free choice. People have made so many sacrifices in the past year to keep others safe and to impose arbitrary rules that directly impact a persons quality of live is not something I have ever supported. People should be free to decide what they put in their bodies. People should be free to make a risk based assessment including, despite it being successful so far, it's not covered under the vaccination compensation scheme (cannot remember the proper name).

Do we really want to enter a stage in society again that we have to prove out worthiness to be allowed into places as standard?

I didn't say anything about forcing people to have the vaccine. When I said wouldn't you prefer people to have the vaccine, I meant wouldn't you prefer them to choose to have it. Nobody is going to be forced to have it but that doesn't mean businesses should be forced to accept their business if they don't want to.

penguin23
My husband said all this would happen a year ago, his family pretty much all stopped talking to him, calling him a conspiracy theorist. Now they're all talking worriedly about it like my husband never said a word about it, no acknowledgement that he was right.

People are sleepwalking into this, the implications of all this will go further than anyone realises. I am not an anti-vaxxer (hate that term!), whole family up to date with them all, but being coerced into medical treatment and having it forced by means of denying you access to employment, leisure, possibly even education, leads me to the conclusion that something is very very off about it all!

This with bells on.

@notrub what a ridiculous analogy. And pointing out the fact that coronavirus is mild/asymptomatic for the majority and that many people are already immune is not ‘anti-vaxx’

As long as people make informed choices I really don't care. There are other nasty things that I can catch from others that can kill me off. It's down to me to somehow protect myself the best I can.

If I could personally get something out of this it would be more about people being honest when they have things like temperatures and stay the fuck at home haha.

@Same4Walls

Surely there will be provided proof of exemption by your GP that doesn't go into detail.

I think you're being incredibly optimistic if you think this will happen.

It already does... As said in my post, my DC got one when she couldn't have a vaccine but needed to travel. It was literally a signed letter that said she was unable to be vaccinated for medical reasons.

@sirfredfredgeorge

Surely there will be provided proof of exemption by your GP that doesn't go into detail

Someone above claimed there are only 2 reasons why you could be exempt, so of course it immediately provides that knowledge, given one of them is pregnancy, you don't think judgemental folk are going to start judging a pregnant woman in a pub, maybe having some wine?

How are "folk" going to know she's exempt? It's not like a mask, you can't actually SEE if someones had the vaccine, until, you know, the chip starts beeping and they flash bright colours...

The person who's seen the exemption card would not even think twice and assume they've got one of a myriad of reasons for not having it. Also believe the advice for pregnant women is due to change, as it has been shown it's safe for them and baby.

This is such a dangerous and horrible move to permanent ID.

I will simply stop going to pubs.

We really are entering a two tier society whereby unless you have medical ID electronically with you, you can’t participate. And we told the conspiracy theorists they were mad

My elderly mum has been unwell for six weeks since the vaccine (and the GP won’t yellow card it as it is a coincidence apparently). She won’t have another covid vaccine and so what - she can’t go out again?

I’m disgusted

You're not allowed in a pub if you're blind drunk, even if it's because of a medical condition (alcoholism). They have every right to assure their power to decide who is allowed on the premises, and if having unvaccinated people is a risk they're not willing to take, so may they.

[quote bumbleymummy]@notrub what a ridiculous analogy. And pointing out the fact that coronavirus is mild/asymptomatic for the majority and that many people are already immune is not ‘anti-vaxx’[/quote]
Here we go - "I'm not racist, but..."

Opposing the use of vaccines is anti-vax - it really doesn't get any simpler than that.

Well sounds very unlikely that this is going to happen until everyone has been offered the chance to have the vaccine, and there's quite a lot of opposition from pub chains and industry bodies which is heartening...

What the actual fuck has happened to Boris Johnson?

@StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind

Well sounds very unlikely that this is going to happen until everyone has been offered the chance to have the vaccine, and there's quite a lot of opposition from pub chains and industry bodies which is heartening...

I really hope this whole thing doesn't happen. What makes no sense to me is that unvaccinated people will be fine to enter pubs up until everyone has been offered the vaccine... which is months after pubs can open.

Hard to disagree there isn’t something more going on. It will only serve to increase scepticism and lack of trust and anti-vaccination.

It already has in me.

@Roonerspismed

This is such a dangerous and horrible move to permanent ID.

I will simply stop going to pubs.

We really are entering a two tier society whereby unless you have medical ID electronically with you, you can’t participate. And we told the conspiracy theorists they were mad

My elderly mum has been unwell for six weeks since the vaccine (and the GP won’t yellow card it as it is a coincidence apparently). She won’t have another covid vaccine and so what - she can’t go out again?

I’m disgusted

Something happened to my dam after the vaccine. Her blood count went through the floor and we nearly lost her. It was blamed on her chemo drugs but it was very sudden. They have now started up her chemo again and she's regaining her strength. Her consultant completed debunked my theory 😡

@notrub and that’s an even worse analogy!

How do either of the facts I’ve stated oppose the use of vaccines?

*dm

@Roonerspismed

This is such a dangerous and horrible move to permanent ID.

I will simply stop going to pubs.

We really are entering a two tier society whereby unless you have medical ID electronically with you, you can’t participate. And we told the conspiracy theorists they were mad

My elderly mum has been unwell for six weeks since the vaccine (and the GP won’t yellow card it as it is a coincidence apparently). She won’t have another covid vaccine and so what - she can’t go out again?

I’m disgusted

She can report it herself, or you can do it for her:

yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/

The fuss about pubs makes me wonder when I think about how busy public transport is especially now that schools and colleges are back. I know it's not the same thing, it could be argued that masks are worn on buses and trains but there are quite a lot with masks on chins as soon as they sit down. It is impossible to socially distance, no windows and poor ventilation on trains and yet this is happening all day everyday without a fuss. I just don't see how a pub with seating and table service, limited numbers, ventilation etc is any worse.

Do people know there is currently a government consultation on the potential use of vaccine passports? It's only open til the 29th though.

They mentioned it in response to a petition I signed. The blurb in the email says:

"On Monday 15 March the Government launched a public consultation as part of its review into whether COVID-status certification, sometimes described as ‘vaccine passports’, could play a role in reopening our economy, reducing restrictions on social contact and improving safety.

You can find out more about this Review, and share your views on the potential implementation of COVID-status certification, here: www.gov.uk/government/consultations/covid-status-certification-review-call-for-evidence

The deadline for sharing your views is 23:59 on Monday 29 March."

@SilverGlitterBaubles

The fuss about pubs makes me wonder when I think about how busy public transport is especially now that schools and colleges are back. I know it's not the same thing, it could be argued that masks are worn on buses and trains but there are quite a lot with masks on chins as soon as they sit down. It is impossible to socially distance, no windows and poor ventilation on trains and yet this is happening all day everyday without a fuss. I just don't see how a pub with seating and table service, limited numbers, ventilation etc is any worse.

Last year when we were out of lockdown I went out to eat with friends at least twice a week and went to bars most weekends. Never once did I feel unsafe. The places I visited had jumped through every hoop that was put in front of them to ensure they were compliant to the safety standards.

I felt much more comfortable than I have in any shop since this started. I do feel that hospitality has been made a bit of a scapegoat and that they have bent over backwards to ensure they have a safe environment

Yep I've flagged that RhubarbTea on some threads, also the digital identity framework which the government have also put through (which will be written into law), as well as the media contract the gov have just agreed to run from April 2021 to April 2023 regarding covid.
People aren't interested.

@XenoBitch I agree, I hope this never happens.

What pisses me off too is yet again, COVID is the only thing that matters. I very much believe in vaccination, always had every vaccine offered to me, my DC have had all of theirs (I paid for them to have the men b vaccine too as they missed out, my son by only 3 months). I take quite a dim view of people who choose not to be vaccinated, without good medical reason.

But I still respect the right for people to choose what they put in their own body.

Why all the talk around vaccine passports? Who are we protecting in this? The elderly/vulnerable, who are already vaccinated? Why then is there no consideration to vaccine passports for schools? Why is it therefore deemed ok for my children to have to be exposed to others who haven't been vaccinated? I am NOT saying I think this should happen, in case it wasn't clear. Just trying to say how ridiculous this is and how I'm so sick of coronavirus being the only thing that matters.

@Belladonna12 Why are you denying someone elses health condition I suspect you wouldnt like it if someone had the same attitude to Covid.

@notrub Welfare for the needy? Have you any idea how many ppl died after having their disability benefits stopped?

Incidentally..you might think long Covid is the only long term post viral syndrome that counts NOW. But that is while the Government is happy to use the people suffering with it , yes USE THEM to scare and emotionally blackmail others. The real litmus test will come when they have to apply for disability benefits. They might find the belief in it from certain quarters suddenly drops off a cliff!!