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Telegraph is reporting vaccine to be compulsory for care home workers

398 replies

bathsh3ba · 23/03/2021 07:03

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/03/22/care-home-staff-face-compulsory-covid-vaccination/

I feel quite uncomfortable with the idea of making any vaccine compulsory....

Thoughts?

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Goldieloxx · 24/03/2021 08:09

I agree with it and woukd hope that those working in a caring profession would want to have it. If not, they are choosing not to work in that profession. As others have said some vaccinations are already mandatory. Youd think after the devastating year we have all had, everyone would want to play their part.

TheKeatingFive · 24/03/2021 08:09

The vaccine only reduces the symptoms

This is bull

Care staff have been through crap the entire year and dealing with stressful situations. I have been there and done it and now Left. I seen 12 residents die off covid and others seriously ill.

I’d expect then you wouldn’t want a repeat of that? The best way to prevent it happening is for as many people in the setting as possible to get the vaccine. But this basic logic seems lost on you.

TheKeatingFive · 24/03/2021 08:13

Youd think after the devastating year we have all had, everyone would want to play their part.

You would.

Vivana · 24/03/2021 08:14

Or perhaps hospitals not to send back residents with covid

TheKeatingFive · 24/03/2021 08:18

Or perhaps hospitals not to send back residents with covid

If course, but that makes no difference to the fact that as many as possible getting vaccines is the best way of protecting the care home.

Vivana · 24/03/2021 08:18

No i do not seem lost in fact I probably know more than others who have never worked in a care environment specially during covid. I could give a whole long post on it but it would be a waste off time on here.

Violetlavenders · 24/03/2021 08:19

Or perhaps hospitals not to send back residents with covid

Why 'or'?

Hospitals not sending residents with covid back should not prevent care home staff being fully vaccinated?

TheKeatingFive · 24/03/2021 08:20

in fact I probably know more than others who have never worked in a care environment specially during covid

And yet you deny the important role of vaccines in preventing future outbreaks. Baffling.

Vivana · 24/03/2021 08:21

It does make a difference. Hospitals have to do a better job instead of letting a resident come back to a home which was covid free.

Vivana · 24/03/2021 08:22

Where did I deny it. I had my vaccine thanks and all I said was it should be up to the care worker not the government

TheKeatingFive · 24/03/2021 08:36

It does make a difference. Hospitals have to do a better job instead of letting a resident come back to a home which was covid free.

Yes, but this is just deflection from the vaccine point. Both are important.

I said was it should be up to the care worker not the government

If you’re supporting care workers taking an opt out that is a denial of the most important thing they could do to keep their residents safe.

PreachyGreen · 24/03/2021 08:51

Bargebill19
^Yes. If you and your dr are signed up
To the patient accesss nhs app -
The vaccine appears under medicines administered in your online record.
Accessible via your phone 24/7. Free.^

Thanks, although I have a non-smartphone. Another gripe of many a care workers is it's hard to do your job without using your own phone but no work phones/allowances or tax breaks for the likes of us.

My point was more a confidentiality one. How do they manage it in the health service? I mean they can't pass a law that says you have to hand your personal medical info on your personal phone over to your manager so how is it likely to be verified?

Guardian yesterday.

www.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/23/englands-care-home-operators-warn-against-compulsory-covid-jabs

It does seem to me to be political theatre rather than a practical approach. I wonder if it's because they want to withdraw testing once the vaccination drive is over. I guess vaccination is much cheaper than testing and cheap options for issues in care tend to be popular with governments.

Vivana · 24/03/2021 09:11

Well perhaps the government didn't care last year when we had insufficient ppe

Notthemessiah · 24/03/2021 09:12

The best way to prevent it happening is for as many people in the setting as possible to get the vaccine

So you do agree now that it should be mandatory for visitors to care homes too? Good to see.

TheKeatingFive · 24/03/2021 09:15

So you do agree now that it should be mandatory for visitors to care homes too? Good to see.

I said, upthread, that I'd be supportive of that if management wanted to implement it, yes.

vodkaredbullgirl · 24/03/2021 09:16

Where I work no staff or resident have refused the vaccine. No residents have had covid, few staff have and isolated.

BamboozledandBefuddled · 24/03/2021 09:18

As others have said some vaccinations are already mandatory.

Bullshit. No vaccinations are mandatory in the care industry. Something doesn't become a fact just because it suits your argument.

TheKeatingFive · 24/03/2021 09:20

Well perhaps the government didn't care last year when we had insufficient ppe

The fact that the sector was put in willful and unnecessary danger last year, doesn't make it okay to compromise on safety within it again.

TheKeatingFive · 24/03/2021 09:21

No vaccinations are mandatory in the care industry

They are in other industries. Things change and we adjust with the times.

GreatBigBeautifulTommorow · 24/03/2021 09:22

I would support mandatory covid 19 vaccination for both care home and NHS staff.

NHS staff already have vaccines as condition of employment.

We have a duty of care to patients which should include reducing the risk of passing a highly transmissible disease to them.

vodkaredbullgirl · 24/03/2021 09:24

Ive worked in hospital many many years ago and would have Hep B vaccine.

Worked with an agency 17 yrs ago, never been told that I need certain Vaccinations.

Worked in the same care home, for 16 year and never been told I need vaccinations. Not even had the flu jab, not been told I can't work if I don't.

Notthemessiah · 24/03/2021 09:25

@TheKeatingFive

So you do agree now that it should be mandatory for visitors to care homes too? Good to see.

I said, upthread, that I'd be supportive of that if management wanted to implement it, yes.

That would seem a lot fairer and make it at least appear that the burden wasn't purely being lumped onto care workers shoulders alone.

Still doesn't seem right though that it should only be up to management regarding visitors, but a legal requirement for care workers.

Chillychangchoo · 24/03/2021 09:28

Good. How can they profess to be caring if they do not have the vaccine? It’s negligence.

I am a support worker. A lot are worried about the fertility myth. It’s done a lot of damage. If it wasn’t for that most of the refusers I know would have accepted the vaccine.

Maverickess · 24/03/2021 09:37

This thread is just so typical of society when something goes wrong in care.
Refusal by some to even acknowledge that the system has screwed over the elderly, vulnerable and their care workers right from the start of this, and before this too with money saving and corner cutting schemes, shutting down those that raise it by saying it's a different issue - it's not.

Care workers and their patients weren't seen as financially worthy enough to protect from other illnesses for years, put directly at risk by the policy of sending untested patients into care homes, not provided with basic PPE, expected to take financial hits (that because of the low wage they're on, have a massive impact on their lives) to isolate with symptoms or even at first with a positive test, patients not just expected but it was enforced to not see their families for a year except through a window or on a screen.

That's before you get to the low bar already set for care standards in general, minimum staffing ratio's, training and poor wages and job benefits that are the minimum standards allowed by law.

And how has the government and care providers addressed this?
By floating an idea that care workers need to be forced to have this vaccine because they have a duty of care they're not taking seriously.

The care workers are the ones not taking their duty of care seriously? When you consider the above that is beyond the reach of care workers to change?

The government and care providers have done this deliberately to avoid the issues that should be addressed urgently, that were always present but that covid have highlighted with results in lives being lost in great numbers. The very first opportunity that they've had they've deflected concern over those things, usually raised by the people they're targeting - care workers - by making a policy that insinuates that care workers need to be made to take their duty of care seriously, when there's already a 75% uptake of this vaccine.
The vaccine is a wonderful thing, it's going to protect so many vulnerable people, but floating an idea like this has had exactly the desired effect, it's made people turn away from the issues that have caused this utter shit show in care that are beyond the scope of the staff 'on the floor' to highlighting instead, that 25% of care workers need to be forced to take the vaccine, because actually that's the real issue.
As someone else said, we're an easy target, a target they're successfully discrediting so that our concerns about how all this is being handled at higher levels, is ignored and shouted down.
And people have done just that. I'm not shocked, it's the same each time.

Losing 25% of unvaccinated care workers is not going to improve the fundamental issues that plague care, that have been highlighted by covid, they are very much still going, but instead of talking about them, people are actively shutting those concerns down in favour of demonising 25% of the work force.
Nothing will ever change while that happens.

TheKeatingFive · 24/03/2021 09:42

And how has the government and care providers addressed this? By floating an idea that care workers need to be forced to have this vaccine because they have a duty of care they're not taking seriously.

No one is suggesting that this move is supposed to solve all the problems in the care industry.

It's to limit, as far as possible, the impact of a deadly disease that has devastated the industry in the past year.

Should other measures be taken to improve the quality of care for the elderly in this country? Of course.