Telegraph is reporting vaccine to be compulsory for care home workers

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www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/03/22/care-home-staff-face-compulsory-covid-vaccination/

I feel quite uncomfortable with the idea of making any vaccine compulsory....

Thoughts?

Saying you have to have the vaccine for a certain job doesn’t make the vaccine compulsory for everyone. It’s just compulsory for that job.

I couldn’t imagine working in a care home and not having the vaccine having seen how the virus has ripped through them

No. Nothing you do with that. You beat your own agenda drum if you want but my post was about the vaccine and care. I think the same applies to well paid consultants too and they also shouldn't be in a caring profession if they don't have the vaccine but they doesn't match your agenda so would you like to try to twist that around to that too?

I don’t have an agenda. We treat care workers like dirt and justify it because they should care. This extends beyond the vaccination. That’s not an agenda.

That was for @daisyoranges by the way

@daisyoranges

I don’t have an agenda. We treat care workers like dirt and justify it because they should care. This extends beyond the vaccination. That’s not an agenda.

You sound oblivious to the fact that vaccines help protect.

Makes sense and some vaccines are expected already in some professions.

If you work with those most vulnerable in society then of course you should be expected to do something to help protect them.

When I started working in a prison I was expected to have had certain vaccinations.

Of course they do. That’s fine.

Make it a condition of employment, or not.

But don’t make out people should be having the vaccination because they should ‘care’ and if they don’t they are in the wrong job.

Care workers are both badly paid and badly treated. It is morally reprehensible to pay them peanuts, demand they deal with shit, death and disease with a smile on their face, and then crossly say that they should ‘care’.

@daisyoranges

Of course they do. That’s fine.

Make it a condition of employment, or not.

But don’t make out people should be having the vaccination because they should ‘care’ and if they don’t they are in the wrong job.

Care workers are both badly paid and badly treated. It is morally reprehensible to pay them peanuts, demand they deal with shit, death and disease with a smile on their face, and then crossly say that they should ‘care’.

But they are in the wrong job if they don't have a vaccine which would protect the people they look after!!!!!! If they don't want to have a vaccine they need to be in another job.

@SexTrainGlue

I'm just amazed how the existing NHS requirement to be vaccinated (or to be moved to other duties without contact with those particularly vulnerable) is so little known.

Thus is not a new thin-end-of-a-wedge. It's current practice that has been around for decades. Somewhat more in the spotlight, of course.

But I think our elderly and vulnerable deserve to have the safest possible environment. Protective measures aren't perfect, but that doesn't mean they should be optional as well

Exactly. The headline should be Covid 19 is added to list of vaccines for healthcare workers.

I would be keener to campaign to make sure care workers are paid for their sick time - which results in staff being in work when they shouldn’t - than complaining about them needing to have a vaccine that will protect them.

And you can’t think of any reason other than then being uncaring people as to why they might be reluctant to have the vaccine? Pregnant, breastfeeding, history of vaccine damage in the family, allergies?

daisyoranges pay and working conditions are a seperate issue from mandatory vaccinations.

Good. Care homes should be as safe as possible.
Care home staff should be also fairly paid for the difficult job that they do (I couldn't do it) and that's a separate issue but it definitely needs addressing.

Of course they must be vaccinated. If you work in care and refuse you just do not have the right qualities to work in care. Would you want an elderly relative cared for by an un-vaccinated person? I manage a care service, I'm very proud of my staff, 100% of them are vaccinated, they were all highly motivated to keep everyone in the service safe.

I don’t think they are boris. I think before you can demand that someone does something you need to pay them a lot more.

AFAIK vaccinations aren’t a requirement for care staff. I briefly worked in care a few years ago and was offered the flu jab but didn’t have to have it. It could have changed since then of course.

@daisyoranges

And you can’t think of any reason other than then being uncaring people as to why they might be reluctant to have the vaccine? Pregnant, breastfeeding, history of vaccine damage in the family, allergies?

None of those are real contraindications though.

People who are vaccinated are less likely to spread the virus, so it is necessary. The last thing I want is my parents getting coughed on by the staff. The staff should be glad they're getting the vaccine.

Midgedude yes it can be a condition of employment, along with clean DBS, clean driving licence or whatever is appropriate for the job in question.

Compulsory vaccination is not new and only shows how ignorant people are of disease control in the past. Vaccinations are already mandatory for travel in many places (yellow fever, anyone) and are standard practice for healthcare workers.

You can also bet your bottom dollar that if there is ever a vaccine against malaria it will become compulsory for travel too. It’s the height of selfishness to not vaccinate against such a transmissible disease, frankly.

In all the debate about teachers wanting vaccinations it came up that careworkers are particularly ar risk of Covid. So not only does it protect the people they care for it also protects them in their risky job.

24 years ago I had to have hep A & B vaccines and an up to date tetanus shot and a blood test to confirm immunity to help B before I started at university for a healthcare course.

If I hadn’t had the vaccines I would not have been accepted onto the course.

This isn’t anything new.

@DazzlePaintedBattlePants

Compulsory vaccination is not new and only shows how ignorant people are of disease control in the past. Vaccinations are already mandatory for travel in many places (yellow fever, anyone) and are standard practice for healthcare workers.

You can also bet your bottom dollar that if there is ever a vaccine against malaria it will become compulsory for travel too. It’s the height of selfishness to not vaccinate against such a transmissible disease, frankly.

Exactly this

@daisyoranges

I don’t think they are boris. I think before you can demand that someone does something you need to pay them a lot more.

AFAIK vaccinations aren’t a requirement for care staff. I briefly worked in care a few years ago and was offered the flu jab but didn’t have to have it. It could have changed since then of course.

Of course they're seperate issues. Employers do have a right to lay down conditions, in this case vaccinations to protect the residents. Anyone who doesn't want to accept those conditions doesn't have to accept the job.

Good!

Indeed they don’t: the problem is that care isn’t exactly a saturated market. Perhaps it will become so due to lost opportunities elsewhere. I don’t know. I stand by the fact that if we are to demand something like this they deserve more than minimum wage. It is not right to claim that if they cared they would get it. It’s that which is used to justify poor treatment and poor pay.

There's a lot of ignorance around vaccines, or people are aware and just want to drum up froth because they are bored or want to prove something.

Covid reporting needs to be responsible, for the unaware.