Vaccine supply about to significantly reduce

[DareIask]

Looks like Europe may have got their way

@LoudestCat14

Bluntness100 People aren't catastrophising at all, they're voicing their upset. It's not for you to dictate how people react.

It’s a forum, so people will respond. And yes rebut. And they are catastrophising. It’s a four week delay but still on the original schedule, we were just ahead of it.

Of course people can react if they want, but panicking and catastrophising ..lock down ending will be delayed, who will look after my kids when we get it, are the sort of comments that need rebutting as people will be reading this and if no one comments then some peoooe will believe it.

You still have a choice. It might not be an easy one, but have it you do. If you’re that scared then quit work, keep the kids at home, hunker down"

Easier said than done with two year 10s in GCSE years who want to be in school and not lose a sought after school place.

And we can't just hunker down with jobs and a mortgage to pay.

Apologies if this has been discussed as haven't read the full thread but has it been established how long these vaccines will provide protection as yet? What is our plan for later in the year? Are all the elderly and cev going to need a booster come the autumn? It seems to me we are only at the start of this and what is the government's plan to secure booster vaccines?

So disappointed. Have had long-covid now for 340 odd days. Had my last blip 3 weeks ago (feeling like every bone had been broken in my body and a 'hangover' from hell).

40s and a teacher.

And yet people still compare it to the fucking flu and tell you it's not bad 🙄

Another disappointed one. My husband is over 40 so was going to be vaccinated any time soon and now this breaks all plans about visiting my family any time soon

@Avondklok

It's not the fault of the fecking EU.

We don’t actually know that. The timing coming the same day the EU were talking about countries using emergency measures to block exports is not brilliant.

I would guess it’s not actually that though (or if is that they think they can negotiate past it), because our current government would absolutely love a news story like “heroic UK vaccine rollout thwarted by evil EU vaccine-snatchers” and would hardly be shy about it!

@Avondklok

Why are people blaming EU for this? It's nothing to do with EU.

We blamed them for everything when we were in the EU, we may as well carry on now we're out.

Very disappointed at this news. I’m 49 and was hopeful I’d have mine within the next month.

Could also do without the pious “I don’t mind, I’m glad the vulnerable are being done first” messages. That’s fine if you’re 20, and talking about someone who’s 80+. It’s not as comforting when your friends/siblings/peers are suddenly divided into those officially At Risk enough to need a jab, and those literally days or weeks younger for whom all is apparently tickety-boo.

I do understand that there always had to be a cut off. But this really stings.

@mrshoho

Apologies if this has been discussed as haven't read the full thread but has it been established how long these vaccines will provide protection as yet? What is our plan for later in the year? Are all the elderly and cev going to need a booster come the autumn? It seems to me we are only at the start of this and what is the government's plan to secure booster vaccines?

No-one knows how long they'll work for, because there hasn't been enough time yet. The government has planned for boosters certainly for pensioners in the Autumn.

Orange, look at my post about 5 or 6 up from yours. That explains why it is a big deal for 40s who expected the vaccine in late March and now find the letter to the NHS tells all vaccinators not to even offer it to under. 50s until May...a delay of 6 weeks or so....important for many of those 40s returning to work. 6 weeks is a long time when you actually expected to be offered it next week.

Neverforget, well you were very lucky to just sneak in. Good for you. I think the fact that some areas were a bit ahead and their GP led services offered to over 40s in the last week or so makes it feel worse for the rest of the 40s who were expecting the national booking site to open to 40s in the next week....to know now that probably won’t happen for 6-7 weeks.

There will be huge disappointment amongst 40s.
Hancock cannot acknowledge that and luckily for him never promised it was close for 40s....the reality though was that it was very close and expected. Letters to NHS professionals talked about the surge in vaccine supply from this week for about 3 weeks at least. That would have enabled them to extend bookings to 40s whilst ALSO delivering 2nd doses and mopping up any 1-9 cohort not done. But things have changed. It is true, supply is lumpy, but it is essentially a delay of 6-7 weeks of the expansion of the programme which had not been forecast in any way.

He’s not going to acknowledge that delay. However he was clearly uncomfortable tonight because it is a delay.

Tonight should have been a big celebration...25m vaccinated. All over 50s offered jab. Big milestones. But spoiled by the delay to rollout which hadn’t been mentioned before....perhaps it was extremely sudden. The

@Mummyoflittledragon EU spent 2.7 billion together. UK spent 12 billion. Not sure VDL understands economics or legal corporate contracts.

Are you just making this bollocks up? Where are your facts/references?

What is your aim of this post?

@BungleandGeorge

Wasn’t it always the case that countries were meant to pause after doing their vulnerable groups and allow others to catch up? We do need to go back and catch groups 1-9 before steaming ahead with the low risk groups too. Is it morally ok for us to be vaccinating our low risk population when other countries haven’t done their most at risk? If it’s due to supplies I’m not sure that’s fair. If there are enough supplies and it’s limited by other factors such as organisation then I think it’s ok for our supplies to continue

Apparently many countries in Europe have only used 50% of their vaccination stocks (before many of them decided to pause the Oxford vaccine on spurious grounds). So there seems to be an organisational issue.

Also, we have one of the world's highest death rates (the reasons for this aren't entirely clear, but we seem quite vulnerable to this virus).

We have also contributed a great deal to vaccine development and we have contributed almost as much as the whole of the EU to the global COVAX rollout initiative.

So, overall, I think it's reasonable for us to crack on.

@CallMeCleo

Sheer manipulation.

There are so many people now starting to think maybe they should not have it after all, so they need to ramp up the fear that you might not get a chance, that it's running out, in short supply, and this makes people want it more.

Don't fall for it.

We don't need a vaccine for a flu that 99.9% of people won't die from, anyway.

Agree with this

Bluntness100 Where does it say the delay will only be four weeks?

@duffeldaisy thanks for that, I totally agree. I am actually not terrified but I am frustrated. I know I have much higher exposure risk than many who have been vaccinated. I've had covid and don't want it again.

Don’t panic!!!

@LoudestCat14

Bluntness100 Where does it say the delay will only be four weeks?

Everywhere! It’s even on the bbc website, Hancock announced it. It’s a supply issue for four bloody weeks and due to th huge amount of folks being vaccinated they need to get the second doses done, they are still going to be on target for all adults to be done by July.

The more you vaccinate the more second doses, it’s huge, they are just reducing for four weeks from the end of the month to get it all done on new doses. We were well ahead of target, this just takes us back to it.

The lockdown plans were not based on us beating the July timeline. So it’s all still good.

bag unless they're going to carry on testing kids when schools go back mid April then cases will rise. It's not fair on school staff or parents.

I have to be literally fighting fit to restrain my 12yr old.

Yet today as most days we have younger people no idea why offered the jab threads. Love to know how many millions have gone to those under 50 not in group 6!

The delay is that 40s won’t be offered until May. Given they expected to be offered from next week, that’s a delay of about 6 weeks.

It was expected from next week I would be 40s, mopping up grouos 1-9 and 2nd dosers. Now it’s just mopping up and 2nd dosers for 6-7 weeks. That’s a big change to what was expected.

I don't understand the issue. I thought the plan was always to get priority groups done by mid-April then start on the rest, with all adults by end of July. Add into that second doses ramping up now and of course they wont vaccinate many under 50's before end of April. I don't understand why so many non CV under 50's seemed to think they would be getting it in the next few weeks, the plan has been published for ages now.

Well I do think we have a moral duty to the global society, so agree now our most vulnerable are vaccinated, focus on their second dose and even donate to those countries who are still vaccinating their 80 plus and CEV.

This isn’t the time to just think about our own.

Is it a delay or more an expected pause of one age group to do second doses?

I admit I’d love to get it pre Easter as late 40s but they do have to do all the second dose people at some point

@OverTheRainbow88

Well I do think we have a moral duty to the global society, so agree now our most vulnerable are vaccinated, focus on their second dose and even donate to those countries who are still vaccinating their 80 plus and CEV.

This isn’t the time to just think about our own.

How old are you? (And have you had it)